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Old 09-22-2017, 06:20 PM   #109
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Still not impress. How about i tell you that Peter Schreyer and Albert Beirman are the engineers behind Hyundai and Kia performance cars.

If you like Beemers and Audi's then there's no reason you wont like Kia and Hyundai except for the logo.
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Old 09-23-2017, 04:05 PM   #110
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What the heck is going on with these two?

They have upped their game in a few years.

Now what is all this talk about stinger rwd sedan and 130 N AWD monster. What is it they can't do? they have surprised people.Hope KIA changes that badge though.

I am becoming a fan. Toyota, Honda, and Mazda better lift their game up.
Mazda have upped evryones game with thier new HCCI Skyactive-X engineHomogeneous Charge Compression Ignition, or HCCI, is a form of combustion that, like diesel, does not require spark. The compression alone ignites the fuel/air mixture much more efficiently than a conventional gasoline engine -- and it's cleaner than sooty, nitrous-oxide-plagued diesels. Mazda dubs it SkyActiv-X, the first production HCCI engine.
you can read more on it here......autoweek.com/article/technology/watch-how-mazda-built-new-engine-technology
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Old 09-23-2017, 04:48 PM   #111
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Mazda have upped evryones game with thier new HCCI Skyactive-X engineHomogeneous Charge Compression Ignition, or HCCI, is a form of combustion that, like diesel, does not require spark. The compression alone ignites the fuel/air mixture much more efficiently than a conventional gasoline engine -- and it's cleaner than sooty, nitrous-oxide-plagued diesels. Mazda dubs it SkyActiv-X, the first production HCCI engine.
you can read more on it here......autoweek.com/article/technology/watch-how-mazda-built-new-engine-technology
YES. I posted a thread about this.I feel that the ICE engine is on it's last legs.Electric is the future and we are already seeing companies heading in that direction.There is a shift towards electrifying vehicles. It's a bit too little too late for Mazda and the South Koreans. But we can still enjoy the ICE engine for at least a few more years even though it's will be a dying breed. I would say 10 year max the engine as we know it will gradually become less as electric zero emission vehicles takes it's place.That's my prediction, but i am no nastradamus.

For us it's time to make a decision do you stay ICE or ELECTRIC?
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Old 09-23-2017, 06:31 PM   #112
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YES. I posted a thread about this.I feel that the ICE engine is on it's last legs.Electric is the future and we are already seeing companies heading in that direction.There is a shift towards electrifying vehicles. It's a bit too little too late for Mazda and the South Koreans. But we can still enjoy the ICE engine for at least a few more years even though it's will be a dying breed. I would say 10 year max the engine as we know it will gradually become less as electric zero emission vehicles takes it's place.That's my prediction, but i am no nastradamus.

For us it's time to make a decision do you stay ICE or ELECTRIC?
Im a petrol head at heart but lets not forget Hydrogen.... https://ssl.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html
or the suitcase engine....
newatlas.com/nissan-zeod-rc-engine/30611/
i think there is always time for pivotal moments in automotive history to happen and surprise us,as is the way......who an tell?
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Old 09-24-2017, 12:32 PM   #113
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Im a petrol head at heart but lets not forget Hydrogen.... https://ssl.toyota.com/mirai/fcv.html
or the suitcase engine....
newatlas.com/nissan-zeod-rc-engine/30611/
i think there is always time for pivotal moments in automotive history to happen and surprise us,as is the way......who an tell?
Hardly any hydrogen stations anywhere for that technology to take off.

Electric charging stations are more and more abundent though...
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Old 09-24-2017, 03:55 PM   #114
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Hardly any hydrogen stations anywhere for that technology to take off.

Electric charging stations are more and more abundent though...
Yup. Even here in Sydney we are seeing them there's one in my area.

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Old 10-02-2017, 06:47 PM   #115
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I'll just go ahead and leave these here...

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Old 10-02-2017, 08:12 PM   #116
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Not a bad looking sedan, but too many superfluous design details for me, and the rear end reminds me of a Dodge.
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Old 10-02-2017, 08:50 PM   #117
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My opinion: Overdesigned. Too flashy. Trying too hard. Clown car.
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Old 10-02-2017, 11:31 PM   #118
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My opinion: Overdesigned. Too flashy. Trying too hard. Clown car.
^^^ This.


The ugly chrome things on the front fenders were the nail in the coffin for me.
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Don't forget guys the i30 N is coming out in Australia in the first quarter of next year. America wont get it tho..
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Old 10-03-2017, 02:05 AM   #120
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Not a bad looking sedan, but too many superfluous design details for me, and the rear end reminds me of a Dodge.
It's a fastback. It's a hatchback in a sedan body. I am not a fan of SEDANS.


Make a proper hatch with a manual gearbox KIA..
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You all know I'm not a Kia/Hyundai fan, but 365 bhp and 0-60 in 4.7 seconds is always going to be an attention grabber.

Still, I agree that it doesn't look all that good (to me), doesn't feel as solid when opening/closing doors, etc., and it had a strange, almost matte/flat red interior that was both overkill and didn't really match well with the bright, glossy red paint.

It did have a nice steering wheel, despite the strange, Bugatti knockoff feeling emblem in the center of it.
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This red Kia babe is gorgeous
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Old 10-19-2017, 11:01 PM   #123
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YES. I posted a thread about this.I feel that the ICE engine is on it's last legs.Electric is the future and we are already seeing companies heading in that direction.There is a shift towards electrifying vehicles. It's a bit too little too late for Mazda and the South Koreans. But we can still enjoy the ICE engine for at least a few more years even though it's will be a dying breed. I would say 10 year max the engine as we know it will gradually become less as electric zero emission vehicles takes it's place.That's my prediction, but i am no nastradamus.

For us it's time to make a decision do you stay ICE or ELECTRIC?
Near-total electrification is the future, no matter what. It's just not as near as some automakers and their faithful followers are speculating. Remember: these companies need to paint an optimistic projection to shareholders. Even if that expectation is often implausible.

Automobile electrification is the future because the automobile is used, chiefly, for commuting to work. Think 50 km or less per day. Fleet use and leisure are what exceed your typical 250 km maximum range, for which your options are range extension (a network of charging stations or gigantic battery capacity) or internal combustion engine to supplement or recharge the electric driveline.

Internal combustion is here to stay, even if only in a perpetually diminishing presence. There will always be a requirement for fossil-fuelled transportation. You are not going to see, for instance, marine transport electrify. The battery and solar panel superstructure needed to sustain trans-pacific shipping voyage would be completely impractical, if not impossible. Marine would be better off going nuclear.
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Electric plug-in vehicles just aren't practical for people who live in apartments and/or don't park in a dedicated garage - which is a lot of people.

Hybrids would be much more popular than they are today, if automakers like Toyota opted to release normal looking (aka decent looking) hybrid cars in the U.S. market, instead of their various fugly Prius abominations. I would already own a Yaris (or Auris) hybrid if either were actually sold in the U.S.

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Near-total electrification is the future, no matter what. It's just not as near as some automakers and their faithful followers are speculating. Remember: these companies need to paint an optimistic projection to shareholders. Even if that expectation is often implausible.

Automobile electrification is the future because the automobile is used, chiefly, for commuting to work. Think 50 km or less per day. Fleet use and leisure are what exceed your typical 250 km maximum range, for which your options are range extension (a network of charging stations or gigantic battery capacity) or internal combustion engine to supplement or recharge the electric driveline.

Internal combustion is here to stay, even if only in a perpetually diminishing presence. There will always be a requirement for fossil-fuelled transportation. You are not going to see, for instance, marine transport electrify. The battery and solar panel superstructure needed to sustain trans-pacific shipping voyage would be completely impractical, if not impossible. Marine would be better off going nuclear.
You are absolutely spot on. Right on the money.

Even me i still can't ween myself off internal combustion engine just yet.

Hyundai and KIA still not producing the car that appeals to me.

Kia Stinger. I just saw it in person briefly but it was the showroom car so i couldn't scrutinize it. It didn't look eye catching in person. Then comes the price 50k for a 2ltr and 60K for the TT6. No thanks. Plus it's automatic.

Hyundai i30N. Nice car again. The reviews are great. But it's FWD and whilst it has the room for me and my 2 important others (wife and kid). I just want a real sports car.

Electric cars are over priced. The Nissan leaf is coming out probably the cheapest EV on the market and it's 50K Aussie dollars for one. No way!

But Toyota has the car a fun car RWD Toyota 86 that i want. What put me off it was the back seats. But i think i can make it work.
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KIA SPORTAGE 2016 Diesel AWD update.

60 000 KM on the clock.

Still no dramas. Bullet proof so far..

Hope i don't jinx myself.

The only thing that concerns me is the long intervals between service. 15K km between service. I think it's too long. Maybe KIA have so much confidence in their products..I am happy with the car. Been reliable. Just wish it was a bit more fun to drive. But it's not bad.

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