Yaris 5Speed in the States?

[Snake]

lol I will be joining you on the gutting too
mine will be stripped the weekend I bring it home
anybody want to buy some extra back seats

[Idjiit]

Originally Posted by why?

Cool. Ratchets I have, actually, even if I have to borrow some of my father's tools I should be able to come up with everything needed.

Well, be sure you have external torx sockets, they're not very common:



You can get a kit at Sears for $20.

FWIW, taking everything out of the back - spare, seats, cargo hatch, etc. lops off over 100lbs.

[DJ_SpaRky]

Originally Posted by Snake

lol I will be joining you on the gutting too
mine will be stripped the weekend I bring it home
anybody want to buy some extra back seats

I guess we all have the same idea

[Snake]

Originally Posted by DJ_SpaRky

I guess we all have the same idea

I guess I'm not the only crazy one around here, nice
that deck lid in the back is heavy too, the one in the auto I saw was mad dense

if you guys put on a set of extra light 15 inch wheels you can shed another 40lbs believe it or not

I did it to my xb, lost 40 lbs on just the wheels

[Idjiit]

Yeah, wheels are next for me. You'd have to really hunt to knock 40lbs off the stock setup though. Not sure what the tires weight, but the rims are 17lbs. Even with the 11lb wheels I'm getting, that's only 24lbs. Tires will come once I blow through the first set.

Here's the weights for everything:

Back Seat & Belts - 50lbs
Spare Tire - 22lbs
Deck Lid, Plastic Containers, Spare Kit, Cover - 21lbs

Okay, so I suck at math. Almost 100lbs. :P

If you're wondering, the jack isn't in the back, it's under the front seat.

[Snake]

buy a set of 10lb wheels
and by a set of ultra low weight lug nuts light mcguards, believe it or not will save you a pound on each wheel

[DJ_SpaRky]

yeah, wheels, I want 17"s, I found a model that is 15lbs for 17" x 7", it's the lightest 17"s I can find.

[stuffy]

hey, if any of you rs model owners out there want and are serious about selling the back seat with the 60/40 split,

i would be an interested buyer.

[birdy]

get rota slipstreams in 17" they are still pretty light and cheap.

or like some 16x8 slipstreams and maybe get flares to fit them haha I bet that would handle crazy

well depending on the offset

[why?]

Originally Posted by Idjiit

Well, be sure you have external torx sockets, they're not very common:



You can get a kit at Sears for $20.

FWIW, taking everything out of the back - spare, seats, cargo hatch, etc. lops off over 100lbs.

That is unique looking. A monkeywrench could prolly do the trick as well if I didn't have the right sockets.

I'm going to get Volk TE37's at 14x5. Chances are they weigh less than 8lbs each. I have to believe they can handle hitting an occasional pothole.

Anyone offhand know the lightest aftermarket seats? I'm going to have to do a lot of research to find that out.

[birdy]

Originally Posted by why?

That is unique looking. A monkeywrench could prolly do the trick as well if I didn't have the right sockets.

I'm going to get Volk TE37's at 14x5. Chances are they weigh less than 8lbs each. I have to believe they can handle hitting an occasional pothole.

Anyone offhand know the lightest aftermarket seats? I'm going to have to do a lot of research to find that out.

comfortable or not?

I made seats back in the day for my 323 gtx for autocross out of fiberglass and they were 8lbs a piece with padding. strong enough to hold 200lbs also.
Pretty easy to make also but I wouldn't daily drive with them.

[Snake]

the seats that are reclineable are about double the weight of those that are fixed, you can actually find on ebay reclineables that range from 15-19lbs
the fixed ones you can find from 6lbs-12lbs
but of course the lighter you go, usually the more money they will run you
save yourself some dough and get some cheaper seats, put a few hundred towards the motor

[why?]

Originally Posted by birdy

comfortable or not?

I made seats back in the day for my 323 gtx for autocross out of fiberglass and they were 8lbs a piece with padding. strong enough to hold 200lbs also.
Pretty easy to make also but I wouldn't daily drive with them.

Originally Posted by Snake

the seats that are reclineable are about double the weight of those that are fixed, you can actually find on ebay reclineables that range from 15-19lbs
the fixed ones you can find from 6lbs-12lbs
but of course the lighter you go, usually the more money they will run you
save yourself some dough and get some cheaper seats, put a few hundred towards the motor

I am interested in getting the best fuel economy possible, so the lighter the better. Not sure what engine mods I will do, besides a lightweight flywheel and eventually a full exhaust system.

Since it will be my daily driver, they do need to be comfortable. I'd try fixed ones first just to see, but I'd prolly need a reclinable one for the passengers seat anyways.

I'd prolly want to trying them out first though. That'll be the tough part. Of course, even when I'm in perfect health 200lbs weight maximum wouldn't be enough.

[DJ_SpaRky]

Originally Posted by birdy

get rota slipstreams in 17" they are still pretty light and cheap.

or like some 16x8 slipstreams and maybe get flares to fit them haha I bet that would handle crazy

well depending on the offset

Originally Posted by why?

I'm going to get Volk TE37's at 14x5. Chances are they weigh less than 8lbs each. I have to believe they can handle hitting an occasional pothole.

smaller wheels mean more tire, IMO tires are heavier than wheels, so 15lbs wheels & 10lbs tires, would be better than 8lbs wheels & 25lbs tires. plus I like the look & the stiffness, they can accommodate larger brakes too.

[why?]

Originally Posted by DJ_SpaRky

smaller wheels mean more tire, IMO tires are heavier than wheels, so 15lbs wheels & 10lbs tires, would be better than 8lbs wheels & 25lbs tires. plus I like the look & the stiffness, they can accommodate larger brakes too.

The thing is that tires are not measured by actual sizes, but by ratios.

Here is a good guide by Tirerack.com

For real proof that smaller tires weigh less here is a list of tire weights from Toyo tires.

In every case, the 14" wheels weigh less than the larger wheels.

[DJ_SpaRky]

I see what you are saying, but I'm comparing a 70-series against a 45-series, the 45-series will weigh less, since the overall diameter is the same there is less rubber thus less weight.

http://www.toyo.com/tires/tire_specsheet.cfm?id=18
- 205/45/17 are about 20 lbs for toyos

[Snake]

guys, dont go crazy with tire weights, the wheel weight is more important
if you want lighter tires, just go with a thinner tire
if you go with wider tires, they will weigh more of course but you will notice a huge performance gain on the turns, I used to switch back and forth in the scion from 225 tires to my 185 snow tires, huge difference on the turns, you wouldnt even believe
im going to go with a set of 225 on my 15's, once the car is dropped, should be nice around the turns
I hear toyo proxes are probably the lightest tires if you comparing the same sizes, check them out

[why?]

You have to also realize that snow tires are simply not meant for dry handling.

All weight is important. And since the tires are on the outside of the wheel, the weight of the tire is prolly more important. I've heard anywhere from 4 lbs and up of tire weight is equal to 1 lb of weight above the suspension.

The other thing that has to be considered is how you are going to drive the car. If I was going to autocross the car I'd get 17" tires, because I'd want the absolute best I could buy.

However, since it is going to be my daily driver, I have no need for super expensive tires that have limits that are impossible to hit while doing anything below 100 mph.

Because of this, I can do everything possible to minimize the weight everywhere. The tires DJ_SpaRky is looking at weigh about 20 lbs.

The tires I am looking at weigh 16 lbs.

At first glance that is only 16 lbs. However, if you buy into the theory that tire weight equals 4 times suspended weight, it has the same impact as 64 lbs of weight above the suspension.

Add that to wheel weight, where the stock wheels weigh 17lbs each, and the TE37's I'll mount weigh less then 8 lbs, and you have some serious weight loss.

It really all depends on how you are going to use the vehicle.