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Old 05-12-2014, 05:56 PM   #1
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Yaris weight compared to early fun Japanese cars

Follow me here for a minute, 1984 Honda Prelude was 2220 lbs @ 100 HP, fun car & light weight.
1984 Porsche 944 { I know German } is 2830 lbs @ 143 HP hmm HP to weight ratio close to Yaris, a little.
1983 Honda Accord 2 dr. 2031 lbs 72 HP 1760 CC's, this is it in a nutshell folks, the Accord is now a 3300 lb. heavy weight.
The Yaris captures the spirit of the early Honda' Civics CRX's Accords, Toyota Celica'a they all became too big & The Yaris has a refined engine & better HP to weight ratio, that's the key to the Yaris spirit, light weight I tell ya, pearls of wisdom dispensed here folks, no charge
Yaris 2 dr. weighs same as 1976 TR6, & 1969 Porsche 911 too !

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Old 05-12-2014, 07:10 PM   #2
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Old 05-12-2014, 07:24 PM   #3
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Lots of fun, cheap too, cheap thrills
Sort of the original sports car concept of the MG's, Alfa's , Fiat Spiders , VW bugs even {tweaked}..
I was in the UK a few times visiting family as a kid mostly but they & most of Europe really get it with these small nimble easy to park, cheap to own compact cars, I think the fact petrol is 6 bucks a gallon helps make owning a Yaris sized car no brainer .
& of course Hitler & the VW ummmmm, bad example
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Old 05-13-2014, 06:47 PM   #4
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I agree for the most part with OP's assessment that the Yaris' power-to-weight ratio makes it comparable to, and as fun to drive as, the Hondas of the 1970s. I enjoy driving the Yaris because of it but I think you went a little too far comparing the Yaris to RWD cars like the 944, early Celicas, Triumphs and other Porsches.

Trailing throttle oversteer and drifting in a RWD car is much more fun and completely different than the understeer you get with FWD.

As much as I like my Yaris, the styling, driving experience, the quality, I won't be giving up my 1979 Celica anytime soon.
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Old 05-13-2014, 06:55 PM   #5
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My 1986 Honda Civic 1500S was 1750lbs and 95 h.p. stock.
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Old 05-14-2014, 07:24 AM   #6
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Yeah the RWD is more fun except in the snow

My brother leased a 1984 3181 4 cyl. BMW new & I drove it a lot, same weight & HP basically as the Yaris & really fun car.
These sized cars seem to be making a comeback because of the fuel economy & the fact that they are more fun to drive sometimes anyways..
That little " Yaris styled " Chevy is starting to pop up everywhere where I live as well as little similar Kia & Hyundia models & many Versca's..
My brother used to have an Opel Kadett back in 1976, that was a small car back then they were called " imports " until the Pinto & Vega came around
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:45 AM   #7
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I had 3 different Honda CRX's in the 80's. My last one, an '88, I got rid of for a new 1997 Chevy Cavalier (I regretted that!). The Yaris is the closest affordable car I could find that made me feel like I had another CRX.
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Old 05-14-2014, 11:31 AM   #8
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I had 3 different Honda CRX's in the 80's. My last one, an '88, I got rid of for a new 1997 Chevy Cavalier (I regretted that!). The Yaris is the closest affordable car I could find that made me feel like I had another CRX.
BAM!!!. As a former owner of 3 CRX's also, I feel me and Debbie have a close bond when comparing our old CRX and our new Yaris.

I will say, they handle very similar. I said it before, my only issue is the stupid rear torsion suspension. I miss independent rear
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BAM!!!. As a former owner of 3 CRX's also, I feel me and Debbie have a close bond when comparing our old CRX and our new Yaris.

I will say, they handle very similar. I said it before, my only issue is the stupid rear torsion suspension. I miss independent rear
My only complaint with the Yaris is I'm sitting up a lot higher than I did in the CRX. Then again, I wore out the side of my CRX's seat trying to boost myself out of the car. I don't need a boost to get out of the Yaris, I feel like I'm jumping down out of it.
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:26 PM   #10
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my suzuki swift was 1900lbs :( but i had 96HP 1.6L engine. :)
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Old 05-14-2014, 08:31 PM   #11
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heh, this is my first real compact car. But it is easy to make lighter cars more fun.

The biggest problem the car industry has today is idiotic government regulations that add insane amounts of weight to cars.
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my suzuki swift was 1900lbs :( but i had 96HP 1.6L engine. :)
My 2001 Swift hatch was just a bit lighter with the 79HP 1.3L and a 5-speed Manual.
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My last one, an '88, I got rid of for a new 1997 Chevy Cavalier (I regretted that!)
CRX = . especially the '88 and especially the Si. I probably should have purchased one at the time.

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Yea, IIRC the CR-Z wasn't available when your Yaris would have been new. I thought about getting a CR-Z as my next car, but it's my understanding that with the way the hybrid system works on that car you can't use the A/C when it is in electric mode. Wouldn't work well re driving in hot weather in SE Texas.
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Old 05-15-2014, 08:32 AM   #14
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Yea, IIRC the CR-Z wasn't available when your Yaris would have been new. I thought about getting a CR-Z as my next car, but it's my understanding that with the way the hybrid system works on that car you can't use the A/C when it is in electric mode. Wouldn't work well re driving in hot weather in SE Texas.
I'm pretty sure the CR-Z was available in 2010, but $30K is not affordable for me. I drool over every CR-Z I see when I'm out driving around. The Honda dealers around here rarely have them in stock.
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Old 05-15-2014, 11:38 AM   #15
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the CR-Z is such a disappointment. Hybrid costs with out real hybrid performance and pretentions of being sporty without being real fun to drive. add to that it is a two seater. there is a reason less than 400 CR-Z get sold per month.

imo, the veloster at least has a fun spirit to it and it quite a bit cheaper, has a lot more room, and still gets fair mileage without having a hybrid.
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Mine was a 93.
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the CR-Z is such a disappointment. Hybrid costs with out real hybrid performance and pretentions of being sporty without being real fun to drive. add to that it is a two seater. there is a reason less than 400 CR-Z get sold per month.

imo, the veloster at least has a fun spirit to it and it quite a bit cheaper, has a lot more room, and still gets fair mileage without having a hybrid.
Totally agree on the CR-Z. And no, the A/C doesn't work when it's in EV mode (e.g. stop/start downtown).

I'm not a Veloster fan either, however. It looks way more fun than it is, and that includes Turbo versions.

I think the Yaris SE is a hoot. Still low in weight but with faster steering and sporty suspension. Mazda2 falls into that category, too. However, I still think the Abarth is the most fun you can have in a tiny car. It's just a damn hoot. Pricey? Yes. Sounds like a Ferrari that caught in a shrink ray? Indeed!
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Totally agree on the CR-Z. And no, the A/C doesn't work when it's in EV mode (e.g. stop/start downtown).

I'm not a Veloster fan either, however. It looks way more fun than it is, and that includes Turbo versions.

I think the Yaris SE is a hoot. Still low in weight but with faster steering and sporty suspension. Mazda2 falls into that category, too. However, I still think the Abarth is the most fun you can have in a tiny car. It's just a damn hoot. Pricey? Yes. Sounds like a Ferrari that caught in a shrink ray? Indeed!
the veloster definitely looks more fun and fast than it is, but it is still relatively light, handles really well when pushed, has the best manual shifter ive used since my early Honda days, and an interior that is pretty interesting yet decent quality, so overall a fun package.

between the yaris, 500, and veloster ive owned, the 500 was easily the most fun. even at low speeds it was fun, yet achieved 40+ mpg's with ease. I miss the car, but don't miss the dealer/service experience.

the yaris reminds me of my first car, a 1989 civic hatch, 4 speed manual transmission...a simple reliable hatch, except the yaris is bigger, far safer, and doesn't rev close to 4000 rpm's on the highway.
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