Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

The only reason I use headphones is to get an idea of tonality.

I'll echo the song to good song thought regarding the recording process.

Extra power makes the difference...now you know why I'm doing what I am with my surfboard amplifiers.

What's wrong with the windshield? :) I relish in reflections! For some reason in my setup it just doesn't sound right unless I'm off axis. It's a phase thing for me.

Agree! Tonality is a big factor and hard to accomplish, good call.

Power? YES more power please, it's not about how LOUD is going to be, it's like a car on the highway! if you want to pass a car you don't need to shift down if you have the Torque and HP. My 2 examples... 1st with MidBass I started with 60watts then 100watts but when I end up with 175watts they just play beautiful.

2nd The SubWoofer... I started with 250watts, it was ok and impressive, but when feeding the i6SW with 400watts it just came a live! I completely forgot it's just a 6.5 inch driver.

Tweeters and reflections... Comparing the Mids with Tweeters the Mids was way much easier to center the image, but with the tweeters I could tell that reflections where doing funny stuff with the center image and width of the stage. In one of the methods I used with the Tweeters, where I turn the volume way down and change the x-over point to 800hz because at 2kHz and above, our ears use amplitude not phase and time to determine location. So to hear the movement, I needed a lower x-over point.

Don't ask me where or how I got to this point but reading and searching I found this method very interesting and I gave it a try, and as I was doing it I noticed the difference of movement compared to the Mids. But for any install I bet it's a challenge to control and be successful at the same time.

But Yes I guess at some point we are using reflections in our favor.

BTW,,,, after work my little Yaris was compared to a brand new C350, details later...





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[sqcomp]

If I ever sell my amps, I'll give you have the first look. :) Want POWER? I've got it in spades.

I hear you on the sub. It's funny for me. I've moved from an awesome 15" in my ML3800 to a dinky (relative to the ML) 8" ID. The thing is, for what I'm doing, the smaller and tighter enclosure in the cabin loaded off the floor seems to be magic for me. I've got a plan for a rear console setup later this year to plug in the ID8 and then eventually the Legatia 13 to downfire onto the floor.

That loading is a FUN. I should really send you a copy of mine so you can plug it in and listen. The other nice thing is that it can be used in home audio applications as well.

We should trade enclosures for a month just to experience what each other is hearing.

[derickveliz2]

The DIYMA meet was great!
I help my friends tuning and giving them ideas to how to improve their systems, of course the little Yaris was a success.

The guy with the white GTI went back home with a big smile on his face, after I did some magic tuning his system
(I just moved his x-over points, centering his image with T/A, leveled the gains and re-aim tweeters). And still he has a lot of room for improvements!

How was the Autocross and CTScott's meet?



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[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by derickveliz2

BTW,,,, after work my little Yaris was compared to a brand new C350, details later...

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The owner of the C350 sent me a text message..."could we switch cars for a day or two?"

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[sickpuppy1]

Thats a treat,lol He want to drive the Yaris over his Mercedes because of the sound system. Yeah and it gets 40mpg sucka! Booya! (And IMO better lookin in that Photo)

[sqcomp]

Derick...we need to get you into competition.

Wish you were here man!





Terrible gas mileage but I still want a go in this:

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

We should trade enclosures for a month just to experience what each other is hearing.

Any time! just let me know!

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Derick...we need to get you into competition.

Wish you were here man!

Congratulations! Yeah me too.

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[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sickpuppy1

Thats a treat,lol He want to drive the Yaris over his Mercedes because of the sound system. Yeah and it gets 40mpg sucka! Booya! (And IMO better lookin in that Photo)

I know, but...

Like when I was driving the M-C350 with my wife on the passenger side...

Me: I get 40 MPG, my Yaris is as quiet, my sound system is 10 times better... and bla bla bla....

then...

My Wife: yes but it's not a Mercedes Benz !!!




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[derickveliz2]

This comes from one of the DIYMA members who was at the meet! he had a great center image but it was a little narrow and too close to the listeners!

" I was impressed with the depth of your stage it seemed to extend out beyond the windshield.
I've been scratching my head trying to think about how I will fix my new problem of having the stage on the dash and not on the front bumper like yours."

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[derickveliz2]

The new 2013 SLS AMG GT .... Looks like they know our secretes and what I see... Mid/bass in the kick area, Mids un in the doors and tweeter next to a-pillars... AMG Front Stage?

Enjoy!








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[sqcomp]

I'm not too worried. You're also paying how much for the car?

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

I'm not too worried. You're also paying how much for the car?

I don't worry I'm happy!

I think it's around $200,000.00
I'm sure we can make our Yaris sound better!

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[derickveliz2]

What would be your ideal vehicle for SQ audio and commuter car?

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[sqcomp]

Come on man...the Yaris I have now.

I keep my ideas of cars purpose specific for the most part. I have a drive to build my own car one of these days. I'm also a fan of road course racing. How to combine the two AND make it street legal? Ultimate GTR. Thank you very much. Give me a small block Chevy and a sequential gearbox and I'm set... For $60k. 200+ MPH AND affordable? Sahweet!

[why?]

that's expensive. The factory five kit they just released looks great and is so much less expensive.http://www.factoryfive.com/kits/project-818/

They say you can have the full car for under $18k.

[sqcomp]

^I'm skeptical. Let's take the cost of the donor. For safety, get a fully running donor in good shape. Then add the kit cost.

I'm NOT saying that it's not more affordable...

What I'm looking at with cost on my idea is the engine...a N/A small block Chevy at 650 HP, that can be run day in and day out. I'm not going to worry about all the plumbing associated with a T/C engine. I know how "fun" the T/C engines are...I used to own one before my Yaris. At 2000 lbs, I'm only a couple hundred pounds more than the Factory Five kit AND it's proven to 200+ MPH and is at the top of the Top Gear performance list. It's not a Can-Am that I'm looking at like the Factory Five design. I like a closed cockpit design myself. I also don't have to deal with a donor car, I build it from scratch parts specifically made for the car itself.







There's just something about the Rolex type vehicle...that is street legal and fast as sin! As much of an Japanese fan as I am, there is NOTHING like the sound of an 8 cylinder shoehorned into a British car platform...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKX2KZruc3E

To me this is a value. I'm also a huge fan of ALMS racing so...watching this video, for me, is like a shot of drugs.

[derickveliz2]

I'm a Fan of Factory 5 (made in Massachusetts) I like this one:




I'm also a fan of V8 engines!

The Ultima GTR is awome too




But aren't these cars too noisy?

If I could afford a new car and a new sound system, I might go with a Camaro, it comes with a V8 and also has great proportions that benefit PLDs in a sound system.




What do you think? (everybody)

What do you think? Sqcomp

Sqcomp... what do you think Scott Buwalda would think?

I love the way his Altima came up! very simply install, though very complex to put together.



or a BMW?




What would be the best car for SQ?

I guess I should go to many show cars and listen to professional sound systems that win Sound Quality events, right?


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[sqcomp]

You know...if you have the time, the IASCA finals is in Indianapolis in October...

...and I wouldn't be getting the Ultima for sound... >;)