Dealing With Rubbing - Toyota Yaris Forums

nqd · 06-15-2007, 01:07 PM

Hey currently i have tein s tech's with 205/45/16r tires and on hard cornerng i get some rubbing.....i love the springs but what is a good way to deal with rubbing besides different springs and smaller tires? rolling fenders?

the reason i ask is because im gonna be in an autox comp

nsmitchell · 06-15-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nqd

Hey currently i have tein s tech's with 205/45/16r tires and on hard cornerng i get some rubbing.....i love the springs but what is a good way to deal with rubbing besides different springs and smaller tires? rolling fenders?

the reason i ask is because im gonna be in an autox comp

I have the exact same problem with my Megans. Mine rub at right around here.

nqd · 06-15-2007, 01:42 PM

How could you tell?? is there debris of rubber stuck on there?

nsmitchell · 06-15-2007, 01:58 PM

Small hole rubbed there. At first I knew it was rubbing so I looked in the most obvious place, directly above the wheels and nothing, in a passing glance I noticed the oval shaped hole in the plastic and that was it. I will take a picture when I get home this evening.

cali yaris · 06-15-2007, 03:31 PM

some people just remove all the plastic. I went to a smaller tire size.
With Tanabe DF210 springs, I tried 205/50/16 tires on 16 x 7 SportMax wheels +38mm offset. Way too much rubbing, so I went down to 195's -- can't really tell the difference and no rubbing!

YamilR · 06-15-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cali yaris

some people just remove all the plastic. I went to a smaller tire size.
With Tanabe DF210 springs, I tried 205/50/16 tires on 16 x 7 SportMax wheels +38mm offset. Way too much rubbing, so I went down to 195's -- can't really tell the difference and no rubbing!

Thats crazy I have 205 40 17 with DF and no rubbing at all

largeorangefont · 06-15-2007, 05:09 PM

Get some camber bolts. I have the same issue and my camber is off. Gaining some more negative camber will help fix the problem and even out tire wear

brickhardmeat · 06-15-2007, 05:41 PM

I am kinda thrown off by all the rubbing going on.

I ordered my Tein Basics today and I have 205/50/15 +40 offset and I plan on running them as low as they will go. Ha, guess I better plan on getting some spacers or bolts or something, eh?

largeorangefont · 06-15-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by brickhardmeat

I am kinda thrown off by all the rubbing going on.

I ordered my Tein Basics today and I have 205/50/15 +40 offset and I plan on running them as low as they will go. Ha, guess I better plan on getting some spacers or bolts or something, eh?

Spacers make it worse. The rubbing described is on the outside of the wheelwell. The tire hits the fenderliner as circled in green in the picture above. It is really very minor, and sounds worse than it is.

*kimona* · 06-15-2007, 06:53 PM

If you don't want rubbing issues, you've got to run higher offsets. It's hard to believe, but just a couple of mm's make the difference!

OxyG3nE · 06-15-2007, 08:00 PM

i have 205/40 17 and it rub for more then a year now.. its not scratching the tire so i dont care.. only rubbing dont hurt ;p

nqd · 06-15-2007, 09:09 PM

Yea i really dont mind cause its not eating my tire ...but the sound makes it seem so bad

mojoyaris · 06-15-2007, 09:10 PM

I think it's the offset of the wheels that make a difference. I first ran autox with 17 x 7's and currently run with 16's. both tire widths are 215 wide but the offsets are different. Total diameter is the same.

With the coilovers people tend to want to lower them too low. It's also the spring rates you are running on the coilovers as well. Some people don't have a stiff enough spring rate and are running them low to get the tucked look. On track it doesn't work as well.

So first, check the offset. My friend has 205's (instead of 215's) on his 17x7.5 inch rims to reduce the rubbing and he lowered his car pretty darn low for that neat tucked look.
Problem is when he will go to autox he'll rub no matter what. His spring rate is not hard enough and he's running too low.
So don't run too low if you have softer spring rates.

I think if you are running with lowering progressive rate springs you shouldn't really have a problem with them. Stiffer dampeners will help for this setup.

If you have a set of coilovers with camber adjustments it's fun to dial in the camber and this will reduce the rub too., Just on the street it makes for quirkier handling.

I think ultimately for autox you'd want 15 inch rims. They're lighter and you really want to reduce the unsprung weight of the wheel which helps with braking, acceleration and traction.

PetersRedYaris · 06-16-2007, 01:05 AM

I have 17 x 7 inch wheels with 38mm offset (the lowest recommended) with205/40/17 tires and NF210 springs. Absolutley zero rubbing. Maybe it's because of the smaller tires.

I now wish I would have gotten the 205/45/17 for the taller sidewall, but, maybe then I would rub.

nsmitchell · 06-19-2007, 03:57 PM

Since it is rubbing only plastic I'm not worrying about it anymore.

grampi · 06-20-2007, 08:03 AM

Not lowering the suspension would help emmensly.

slvryaris · 06-20-2007, 08:06 AM

I had 215/40/17 and the rear rubbed then I changed to 205's and it never rubbed with the 205's and a +40mm offset.

Blenjar · 06-20-2007, 08:17 AM

Glad to know, I havethe 205 45 17. i was planning to get 215 40 17 but u changed my mind now.

whats the difference between 205 and 215? 4got

-- Blen

06-15-2007, 01:07 PM	#1
nqd Drives: 07 Yaris LB Absolute RED Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 884	Dealing With Rubbing Hey currently i have tein s tech's with 205/45/16r tires and on hard cornerng i get some rubbing.....i love the springs but what is a good way to deal with rubbing besides different springs and smaller tires? rolling fenders? the reason i ask is because im gonna be in an autox comp

06-15-2007, 01:58 PM	#4
nsmitchell View User's Garage Drives: LB-Auto-PWR-ABS-Cruise-Springs Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,065	Small hole rubbed there. At first I knew it was rubbing so I looked in the most obvious place, directly above the wheels and nothing, in a passing glance I noticed the oval shaped hole in the plastic and that was it. I will take a picture when I get home this evening. __________________ Other car is a 2005 Mustang Convertible 4.0L V6 Manual - Legend Lime Get YarAss in gear! RIP - Casey Tatum

06-15-2007, 03:31 PM	#5
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	some people just remove all the plastic. I went to a smaller tire size. With Tanabe DF210 springs, I tried 205/50/16 tires on 16 x 7 SportMax wheels +38mm offset. Way too much rubbing, so I went down to 195's -- can't really tell the difference and no rubbing! __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

06-15-2007, 05:09 PM	#7
largeorangefont Break'em off some. View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris LB, 04 Cobra Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: So Cal, OC Posts: 854	Get some camber bolts. I have the same issue and my camber is off. Gaining some more negative camber will help fix the problem and even out tire wear Last edited by largeorangefont; 06-15-2007 at 06:11 PM.

06-15-2007, 05:41 PM	#8
brickhardmeat Lonesome Cowboy View User's Garage Drives: 2007 WHITE HATCHBACK Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Inner City, Dallas Posts: 2,995	I am kinda thrown off by all the rubbing going on. I ordered my Tein Basics today and I have 205/50/15 +40 offset and I plan on running them as low as they will go. Ha, guess I better plan on getting some spacers or bolts or something, eh? __________________ SPONSORED BY

06-15-2007, 01:42 PM	#3
nqd Drives: 07 Yaris LB Absolute RED Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 884	How could you tell?? is there debris of rubber stuck on there?

06-15-2007, 06:53 PM	#10
kimona Super Moderator Drives: 2014 White VITZ Join Date: May 2007 Location: Huntington Bch, CA Posts: 4,938	If you don't want rubbing issues, you've got to run higher offsets. It's hard to believe, but just a couple of mm's make the difference!

06-15-2007, 08:00 PM	#11
OxyG3nE Drives: Toyota Yaris 2007 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Montreal , Quebec , Canada Posts: 373	i have 205/40 17 and it rub for more then a year now.. its not scratching the tire so i dont care.. only rubbing dont hurt ;p

06-15-2007, 09:09 PM	#12
nqd Drives: 07 Yaris LB Absolute RED Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 884	Yea i really dont mind cause its not eating my tire ...but the sound makes it seem so bad

06-15-2007, 09:10 PM	#13
mojoyaris Ecurie Snoopy Lives View User's Garage Drives: Jojo Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver Posts: 447	I think it's the offset of the wheels that make a difference. I first ran autox with 17 x 7's and currently run with 16's. both tire widths are 215 wide but the offsets are different. Total diameter is the same. With the coilovers people tend to want to lower them too low. It's also the spring rates you are running on the coilovers as well. Some people don't have a stiff enough spring rate and are running them low to get the tucked look. On track it doesn't work as well. So first, check the offset. My friend has 205's (instead of 215's) on his 17x7.5 inch rims to reduce the rubbing and he lowered his car pretty darn low for that neat tucked look. Problem is when he will go to autox he'll rub no matter what. His spring rate is not hard enough and he's running too low. So don't run too low if you have softer spring rates. I think if you are running with lowering progressive rate springs you shouldn't really have a problem with them. Stiffer dampeners will help for this setup. If you have a set of coilovers with camber adjustments it's fun to dial in the camber and this will reduce the rub too., Just on the street it makes for quirkier handling. I think ultimately for autox you'd want 15 inch rims. They're lighter and you really want to reduce the unsprung weight of the wheel which helps with braking, acceleration and traction. __________________ Sponsors and Organizations: Toyota Rally Canada Yokohama Tire Canada Western Canada Rally Association Ecurie (Team) Snoopy Canada, racing since 1966 Last edited by mojoyaris; 06-15-2007 at 09:15 PM. Reason: typo

06-16-2007, 01:05 AM	#14
PetersRedYaris View User's Garage Drives: 2005 Scion xB Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Black Hills of South Dakota Posts: 1,059	I have 17 x 7 inch wheels with 38mm offset (the lowest recommended) with205/40/17 tires and NF210 springs. Absolutley zero rubbing. Maybe it's because of the smaller tires. I now wish I would have gotten the 205/45/17 for the taller sidewall, but, maybe then I would rub.

06-19-2007, 03:57 PM	#15
nsmitchell View User's Garage Drives: LB-Auto-PWR-ABS-Cruise-Springs Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,065	Since it is rubbing only plastic I'm not worrying about it anymore. __________________ Other car is a 2005 Mustang Convertible 4.0L V6 Manual - Legend Lime Get YarAss in gear! RIP - Casey Tatum

06-20-2007, 08:03 AM	#16
grampi Drives: Corolla Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 325	Not lowering the suspension would help emmensly.

06-20-2007, 08:06 AM	#17
slvryaris View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris Sedan S Join Date: May 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 885	I had 215/40/17 and the rear rubbed then I changed to 205's and it never rubbed with the 205's and a +40mm offset.

06-20-2007, 08:17 AM	#18
Blenjar View User's Garage Drives: Black Yaris 07 HB Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CT Posts: 1,548	Glad to know, I havethe 205 45 17. i was planning to get 215 40 17 but u changed my mind now. whats the difference between 205 and 215? 4got -- Blen __________________ http://www.360voice.com/tag/noobblenjar My Car http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4245 My DJ www.PainlessWolf.com

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