Toyota Yaris Forums - Ultimate Yaris Enthusiast Site
 

 


 
Go Back   Toyota Yaris Forums - Ultimate Yaris Enthusiast Site > Technical Forums > Performance Modifications
  The Tire Rack

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-18-2006, 03:59 AM   #1
Nutzoids
 
Nutzoids's Avatar
 
Drives: 07 Yaris Liftback
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 938
Engine Swap

Question...

Would a Toyota 2ZZ-GE2 engine fit into a Yaris?

Why spend $2,500+ on a turbo that might not fit, when I can spend $3,000 on an engine that spits out 180hp?

ANYONE????...

Nutzoids is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2006, 05:58 AM   #2
Teruyume
 
Teruyume's Avatar
 
Drives: 06 Yaris RS
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 120
Send a message via MSN to Teruyume
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nutzoids
when I can spend $3,000 on an engine that spits out 180hp?
So how much u gonna spent on installation labour, plus parts fabrication?

Assume:
Engine removal & install 16hr@$50/hr $800
Custom Wiring Shit 5hr@80/hr $400
Custom Engine Mount 3 pieces @300 each $900
Custom Drive Shaft 2 pieces @400 each $800
Custom AC line, Rad hose, Heater hose, Vaccum lines, intakes...etc $500
Plus a bunch of unknow stuffs, wut about $1000

u are looking at $4400 on top of ur $3000motor. Now u got yourself a 180HP yaris........ wow wut a deal............lol

how about Blitz Compressor $3000
full internal w/ piston&rod $1500
Head job w/oversize valve & spring $1000
Injectors $800
Engine removal $ install 16hrs@50/hr $800
ECU flash and tune 5Hr@80/hr 400

$7500, u got yourself a Race Motor with over 200WHP how's that lmfao
__________________
06 Yaris RS 2Dr HB 5MT Orange
Blitz Compressor
Apexi Power Intake
GP Racing GR-6 15x7
Kumho Ecsta AST 195/50R15
Tanabe DF210
JDM LED Tail lights
Teruyume is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2006, 07:57 AM   #3
eTiMaGo
vroom vroom
 
eTiMaGo's Avatar
 
Drives: lil red 5-door
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Bangkok, Thailand
Posts: 7,734
Send a message via AIM to eTiMaGo Send a message via MSN to eTiMaGo Send a message via Yahoo to eTiMaGo Send a message via Skype™ to eTiMaGo
TRD Thailand quoted about $3000 for the swap including the engine, all labor and parts, so it's quite a viable alternative here. But it would take them about a month or more, as the whole engine bay needs to be modified to fit the engine. And, the engine would be a refurbished one, not brand new.

But, the 2ZZ-GE is a very interesting engine, redlining at 8000+rpm if I am not mistaken... Plus you could always add a turbo or supercharger later, if there's any space left in the engine bay, and look at some pretty crazy power...

And, apparently the 1.8L Yaris TS will be eventually available here too, so that's another option for an engine, wait and see!
__________________
The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish.
- Robert Jackson


Bye bye 1NZ...
eTiMaGo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2006, 12:50 PM   #4
dngz
 
dngz's Avatar
 
Drives: black yaris sedan
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: vancouver
Posts: 475
how big is the engine? the engine bay seems so cramped even with a teeny weeny inline 4 banger..!
dngz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2006, 01:29 PM   #5
Teruyume
 
Teruyume's Avatar
 
Drives: 06 Yaris RS
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 120
Send a message via MSN to Teruyume
the engine and tranny is too big to fit in between the Left and Right Front unibody.............seriously don't think distorsion of unibody is smart
__________________
06 Yaris RS 2Dr HB 5MT Orange
Blitz Compressor
Apexi Power Intake
GP Racing GR-6 15x7
Kumho Ecsta AST 195/50R15
Tanabe DF210
JDM LED Tail lights
Teruyume is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2006, 05:30 PM   #6
Katana
 
Katana's Avatar
 
Drives: Yaris LB 1.3lt 06
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Under the hood!
Posts: 1,124
Send a message via MSN to Katana Send a message via Yahoo to Katana
Ι have thought of it too.

In Europe, this engine has 192hp and the limiter is at 8800rpm!If I could find a brand new one, I would do it!
Katana is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2006, 08:16 PM   #7
Black Yaris
der Zeck
 
Black Yaris's Avatar
 
Drives: '05 Audi A4 1.8t quattro
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toledo, OH
Posts: 5,268
[edit] 2ZZ-GE
2ZZ-GE Engine in the Corolla XRSThe 2ZZ-GE is a 1.8 L (1796 cc) version built in Japan. Bore is 82 mm and stroke is 85 mm. Output is 180 hp (134 kW) at 7600 RPM with 130 ft·lbf (176 N·m) of torque at 6800 RPM. It uses MFI fuel injection, has VVTL-i, and features forged steel connecting rods. Compression ratio is 11.5:1. Unlike others in the ZZ family, the 2ZZ-GE requires "premium" gasoline - 91 octane or above in the USA. Power output for this engine varies depending on the application and tuning, with the Lotus Elise and Lotus Exige offering 190 hp but the Pontiac Vibe, Toyota Corolla and Toyota Matrix versions only developing 180 hp (+2005: 170 hp). The Corolla Compressor and Lotus Exige S add a supercharger to achieve 215 hp, while the Exige 240R's supercharger increases output to 240 hp.

The 2ZZ-GE utilizes a dual camshaft profile system (the "L" in VVTL-i, known by enthusiasts as "lift"), to produce the added power without an increase in displacement or forced induction compared to the lesser engines in the ZZ series. This is similar in concept to Honda's i-VTEC, but the two systems are very different in design and execution.

Toyota commissioned Yamaha to design the 2ZZ-GE, and it shares several similarities with street bike engines, the most notable being the relatively high RPM design. The high-output cam profile is not activated until above 6000 RPM (the exact point of engagement is different depending on the vehicle, year, and ECU involved). On all of the Toyota-built vehicles, redline begins at 8200 RPM while the tachometer is typically numbered to 9000, giving an incredibly small "unusable" range. The Toyota ECU electronicly limits RPMs (through fuel and/or spark cut) to ~8200 - it is impossible to "over-rev" the engine with the throttle alone, a downshift from a higher gear is required. The motor will happily run at ~4000 RPM for extended periods of time, and during stress testing the motor will be run at redline for extended periods without issue. For the first few years of production, the engines were notorious for breaking off the "lift bolts" inside the engine. This didn't do any damage, but did hamper performance, as the high output cam profile would not engage properly. Toyota fixed the problem in late 2002, and there is a TSB for dealers showing what bolt to replace and the redesigned bolt.

Applications:

Toyota Celica SS-II (Japan, 190 PS)
Toyota Celica GT-S (USA, 180 hp)
Toyota Celica 190/T-Sport (UK, 189hp)
Toyota Corolla Sportivo (Australia, 182 hp)
Toyota Corolla Compressor (Europe, 215 PS)
Toyota Corolla XRS (USA, 170 hp)
Toyota Corolla Fielder Z Aero Tourer (Japan, 190 PS)
Toyota Corolla Runx Z Aero Tourer (Japan, 190 PS)
Toyota Matrix XRS
Pontiac Vibe GT
Lotus Elise (North America/UK)
Lotus Exige (US/UK)
__________________
Black Yaris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2006, 08:23 PM   #8
spkrman
Banned
 
Drives: 1
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: 2
Posts: 1,476
power is way too high in the RPM range for me.
spkrman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2006, 08:25 PM   #9
spkrman
Banned
 
Drives: 1
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: 2
Posts: 1,476
perhaps I'll raise the question, if this motor is a headache to install in a yaris, what would be a better motor to swap?
spkrman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2006, 08:32 PM   #10
eTiMaGo
vroom vroom
 
eTiMaGo's Avatar
 
Drives: lil red 5-door
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Bangkok, Thailand
Posts: 7,734
Send a message via AIM to eTiMaGo Send a message via MSN to eTiMaGo Send a message via Yahoo to eTiMaGo Send a message via Skype™ to eTiMaGo
I would guess the engine being used for the Yaris TS would be a better fit, though I am not sure what model it is.

A 2JZ-GTE would be pretty sweet though
__________________
The price of freedom of religion, or of speech, or of the press, is that we must put up with a good deal of rubbish.
- Robert Jackson


Bye bye 1NZ...
eTiMaGo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2006, 08:36 PM   #11
Black Yaris
der Zeck
 
Black Yaris's Avatar
 
Drives: '05 Audi A4 1.8t quattro
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toledo, OH
Posts: 5,268
a 2jz-gte with a rwd conversion, would a be kick ass lil drift machine
__________________
Black Yaris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2006, 11:17 PM   #12
raz0rbladez909
 
Drives: 3 door yaris
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Norfolk, VA
Posts: 17
a yaris drifting that'll be the day lmao
raz0rbladez909 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2006, 11:47 PM   #13
the_saint
50% borikÚn
 
the_saint's Avatar
 
Drives: 06 Mazda5, 90 240sx
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Omaha, somewhere in middle america
Posts: 166
Quote:
Originally Posted by raz0rbladez909
a yaris drifting that'll be the day lmao
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/sho...ghlight=tacoma
Scroll about half way down.
__________________
'06+ Toyota bB

Garson - D.A.D. aero
Zuenglein Dolci wheels
the_saint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2006, 03:51 PM   #14
spkrman
Banned
 
Drives: 1
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: 2
Posts: 1,476
any updates here?
spkrman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2006, 04:17 PM   #15
Russelt3hPirate
l33t3st Asshole
 
Russelt3hPirate's Avatar
 
Drives: MY07 Yaris Liftback
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Epcot
Posts: 588
there has to be better motors.

3sgte? AWD? :)
Russelt3hPirate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2006, 04:58 PM   #16
ChinoCharles
Banned
 
Drives: LB
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: OH
Posts: 7,833
An AWD Yaris... yummmmmm
ChinoCharles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2006, 08:27 PM   #17
bigsky2
Cousin Vitz
 
bigsky2's Avatar
 
Drives: Yaris RS 5DR / Vitz RS wannabe
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 1,082
One of the Yaris sedans at SEMA featured a fully tuned Garrett turbo charged 2ZZ-GE2.

There was some heavy modification as the steering wheel was moved further to the rear of the vehicle for even weight distribution.
__________________
2007 Yaris RS Hatchback Black Sand Pearl 5DR MT
DIY Speaker Spacer/Bracket Template for Yaris Hatchback http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1930
bigsky2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2006, 03:07 PM   #18
thefoth
Project Sideways Yaris
 
Drives: 2007 Toyota Yaris 3 Dr RWD!
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Bellevue, WA
Posts: 10
Send a message via AIM to thefoth Send a message via MSN to thefoth
Quote:
Originally Posted by spkrman
any updates here?
No updates as of yet. Head over to http://www.mospeed.com/yaris/ to follow for updates.

We are currently working on developing the braking system, suspension, a body kit, and building the engine.

If someone is looking to just do a swap in their Yaris I would recommend contacting http://www.whyindustries.com, http://www.turbotoyotas.com (related groups)
They already have developed a number of swaps for the xA, xB platforms and it would only take them a couple weeks to make new mounts for the Yaris. They also have a turbo kit developed for the 1nz-fe.

It doesn't look like there is any contact info up on the site yet, but I do have it if anyone is really interested.

As far as Project Sideways Yaris is concerned, the engine selection was based of a very basic idea. We wanted to present to Toyota that they could build an affordable RWD car for under $20k by utilizing parts that are EASILY available from other Toyotas. There are thousands of base model 2wd, std cab Tacomas , thus thousands of 3RZs and the Yaris is a very affordable platform so putting them together for an OE shouldn't cost very much. Second to that, the 3RZ is a very strong engine, it is used in the RWD tC drag cars and produces upwards of 1500hp. Our target for Project Sideways Yaris is 300-400hp. Though the 3RZ doesn't have the prestige of the 3S-GTE, 4A-GE, or the 2JZ-GTE... it will be more than capable of handling the task.

Hope that answers the questions.

Peace,
David
Project Sideways Yaris Manager
thefoth is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Engine mods - why bother? RallyYaris Performance Modifications 143 12-24-2006 04:56 AM
engine noise?? poshi General Yaris / Vitz Discussion 23 09-04-2006 10:45 PM
Aftermarket engine dipstick sroberts General Yaris / Vitz Discussion 1 08-10-2006 09:44 PM
Engine Working too hard? David81 General Yaris / Vitz Discussion 8 06-14-2006 11:17 AM
Noisy Engine David81 New YARIS Purchase Forum 8 06-02-2006 12:15 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:26 PM.




YarisWorld
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.