Chinese cars are coming. - Toyota Yaris Forums

junorico24 · 12-21-2008, 05:16 PM

http://www.caradvice.com.au/11342/ch...-to-australia/

It's inevitable.I know it's going to be awkward in the " break the ice stage" of operation.People will have a mix of negative and positive things to say about it. Others will straight up, hate. And the Chinese are expecting this.They'll have to get it right first. With good quality and affordable vehicles.Which I am confident about. Specialy the latter. Japanese, Honda and Yota's are everywhere. Let the Chinese get into the mix, I say. And ya know they don't like the Japanese having all the fun. knaaw wha I'm talkin about? Look out!! I can't wait.

Bob_VT · 12-21-2008, 05:50 PM

Google chinese car crash tests and don't de too shocked. Some of the cars (their GOOD ones) have even earned one whole star!

I think the words....."no thanks, I would rather walk" will be common...... but they will be affordable and some poor person will have a nice new car that will last only months!

tuckevalastin · 12-21-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PK198105

well i know what I WONT be buying anytime soon. if the quality is the same as those little drink umbrellas (MADE IN CHINA sticker), ill pass

That's exactly what the generations before us said about Japanese cars. SAIC has been a close partner of GM for a while and there are talks of them buying Saturn and Hummer. At the same time a couple Chinese companies have taking cars to the Detroit Auto Show. It seems clear they are ready to break out of China just as Tata is ready to move beyond India.

Bob_VT · 12-21-2008, 05:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amFJwdg7O1E

*jclo3313* · 12-21-2008, 05:56 PM

They have been ripping tech from other countries for years. You would think that they could build a safe and reliable car, but I doubt it. Have fun with the Chinese auto makers I'm with Bob.

facebreaker1212 · 12-21-2008, 06:03 PM

The Chinese reverse engineer anything they make. All their scooters and atv's and dirt bikes are made from almost exact copies of honda motors.

If they try that game here they will fail. Also the Chinese have never done well setting up dealer networks. Their game is making things, not making things work well.

Bob_VT · 12-21-2008, 06:40 PM

I'll bet that insurance companies will not insure them or charge the "high risk" rates for them.

Loren · 12-21-2008, 07:05 PM

If they can pull off a "low tech" car that is reliable and cheap, I think it could work for them.

Think of something along the lines of a base model Yaris, but about 3/4 the cost... and 3/4 the reliability, 3/4 the refinement, 3/4 the fun, etc.

Basically, what Japanese cars used to be.

tuckevalastin · 12-21-2008, 07:19 PM

As I said before this whole conservation sounds exactly like the conversation people had about Japanese automakers when they came into the American market.

junorico24 · 12-21-2008, 08:06 PM

Got my eye on da YAris+Scion xb copy.. 2 in 1. That's how they get's down.

nemelek · 12-21-2008, 08:24 PM

A cheap car won't necessarily succeed. The Yugo comes to mind.

thebarber · 12-21-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tuckevalastin

As I said before this whole conservation sounds exactly like the conversation people had about Japanese automakers when they came into the American market.

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Kaotic Lazagna · 12-21-2008, 09:22 PM

Would you rather drive the said Chinese cars or this VW?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpU5azjCB8

tuckevalastin · 12-21-2008, 09:28 PM

It's strange how many people argued that bringing the Tata Nano to the US shouldnt be stopped by safety ratings because they didn't show anything.....

If Chinese automakers are going to move into other markets they will be forced to adhere to the safety ratings in those markets.

Black Yaris · 12-21-2008, 09:29 PM

I got to see quite a few Chinese cars last year at the Detroit International Auto Show.... they do not look 1/2 bad... most of the drivetrains are from other cars.... basicly Chinese body on another asian made drivetrain

Loren · 12-21-2008, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nemelek

A cheap car won't necessarily succeed. The Yugo comes to mind.

The Yugo didn't fail in the US market because it was inexpensive or even unreliable. It suffered from poor drivability (not enough power), which the US market will not tolerate. And it had emissions problems.

But, no, a car won't succeed JUST because it's cheap... though it does help!

Bob_VT · 12-21-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Loren

The Yugo didn't fail in the US market because it was inexpensive or even unreliable. It suffered from poor drivability (not enough power), which the US market will not tolerate. And it had emissions problems.

But, no, a car won't succeed JUST because it's cheap... though it does help!

Yes, with a touch more power Rodney King could have killed himself instead of driving over 100 mph!

Malcolm Bricklin introduced the Yugo, the Subaru and was fully engaged in the China Chery Automobile....... now his company Visionary Vehicles is looking at a hybrid. I think the failure to distribute the Chery was a big set-back for China.

Kal-El · 12-21-2008, 10:53 PM

Check out the Smart Fortwo's crash test for comparison...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz-s1sIoLhU

It has no hood and it still doesn't crumple past the doors and passenger area where the big Chinese cars with long hoods crumple all the way to the back passengers!

Amazing!

12-21-2008, 05:16 PM	#1
junorico24 Drives: toyota yaris yrs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 642	Chinese cars are coming. http://www.caradvice.com.au/11342/ch...-to-australia/ It's inevitable.I know it's going to be awkward in the " break the ice stage" of operation.People will have a mix of negative and positive things to say about it. Others will straight up, hate. And the Chinese are expecting this.They'll have to get it right first. With good quality and affordable vehicles.Which I am confident about. Specialy the latter. Japanese, Honda and Yota's are everywhere. Let the Chinese get into the mix, I say. And ya know they don't like the Japanese having all the fun. knaaw wha I'm talkin about? Look out!! I can't wait.

12-21-2008, 05:54 PM	#4
Bob_VT View User's Garage Drives: 08 Yaris LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,704	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SRyG6UR2A http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amFJwdg7O1E __________________ some people are little slinkies. . . . .they are really good for nothing. . . .but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. Come to the DARKSIDE..... We have candy

12-21-2008, 05:56 PM	#5
jclo3313 Super Moderator View User's Garage Drives: Absolutely red Liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Woodstock, Ga Posts: 7,816	They have been ripping tech from other countries for years. You would think that they could build a safe and reliable car, but I doubt it. Have fun with the Chinese auto makers I'm with Bob. __________________ Obama Can't Gymkhana!

12-21-2008, 06:40 PM	#7
Bob_VT View User's Garage Drives: 08 Yaris LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,704	I'll bet that insurance companies will not insure them or charge the "high risk" rates for them. __________________ some people are little slinkies. . . . .they are really good for nothing. . . .but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. Come to the DARKSIDE..... We have candy

12-21-2008, 07:05 PM	#8
Loren What? Drives: 2007 Yaris LB Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Safety Harbor, FL Posts: 1,006	If they can pull off a "low tech" car that is reliable and cheap, I think it could work for them. Think of something along the lines of a base model Yaris, but about 3/4 the cost... and 3/4 the reliability, 3/4 the refinement, 3/4 the fun, etc. Basically, what Japanese cars used to be. __________________ ----------------------- Loren@InvisibleSun.org -----------------------

12-21-2008, 05:50 PM	#2
Bob_VT View User's Garage Drives: 08 Yaris LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,704	Google chinese car crash tests and don't de too shocked. Some of the cars (their GOOD ones) have even earned one whole star! I think the words....."no thanks, I would rather walk" will be common...... but they will be affordable and some poor person will have a nice new car that will last only months!

12-21-2008, 06:03 PM	#6
facebreaker1212 Drives: '08 Yaris LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 27	The Chinese reverse engineer anything they make. All their scooters and atv's and dirt bikes are made from almost exact copies of honda motors. If they try that game here they will fail. Also the Chinese have never done well setting up dealer networks. Their game is making things, not making things work well.

12-21-2008, 07:19 PM	#9
tuckevalastin View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Delaware/Connecticut Posts: 609	As I said before this whole conservation sounds exactly like the conversation people had about Japanese automakers when they came into the American market. __________________

12-21-2008, 08:06 PM	#10
junorico24 Drives: toyota yaris yrs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 642	Got my eye on da YAris+Scion xb copy.. 2 in 1. That's how they get's down.

12-21-2008, 08:24 PM	#11
nemelek DWEED Drives: 3DR 2008 Metorite Metalic Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,161	A cheap car won't necessarily succeed. The Yugo comes to mind. __________________ Making a decision without following it with an action is still a fantasy.

12-21-2008, 09:22 PM	#13
Kaotic Lazagna View User's Garage Drives: '14 GT86, '08 Vitz Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Valley, CA Posts: 9,873	Would you rather drive the said Chinese cars or this VW? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpU5azjCB8

12-21-2008, 09:28 PM	#14
tuckevalastin View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Delaware/Connecticut Posts: 609	It's strange how many people argued that bringing the Tata Nano to the US shouldnt be stopped by safety ratings because they didn't show anything..... If Chinese automakers are going to move into other markets they will be forced to adhere to the safety ratings in those markets. __________________

12-21-2008, 09:29 PM	#15
Black Yaris der Zeck View User's Garage Drives: '05 Audi A4 1.8t quattro Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Toledo, OH Posts: 5,231	I got to see quite a few Chinese cars last year at the Detroit International Auto Show.... they do not look 1/2 bad... most of the drivetrains are from other cars.... basicly Chinese body on another asian made drivetrain __________________

12-21-2008, 10:53 PM	#18
Kal-El Drives: 07 Yaris S Sedan 5-Speed Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,179	Check out the Smart Fortwo's crash test for comparison... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz-s1sIoLhU It has no hood and it still doesn't crumple past the doors and passenger area where the big Chinese cars with long hoods crumple all the way to the back passengers! Amazing!

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