Which keyless entry/alarm/remote start?

[BennyLava]

Hi all. 2009 Yaris sedan here. I'm wondering which alarm system I should get. I know there are plenty out there to choose from, but my question revolves more around the stock keyless entry. If I don't choose the right one, I'll have way too much bulk clinging to my keychain. And I just can't have that. I would like one that can somehow... replace the stock one if possible.

Is this possible? Seeing as how the stock one has the key built into the remote. Is there some way to get an aftermarket one that is that way? I need it to have remote start, alarm, keyless entry, (of course lol) and a trunk pop button. Or at least, a good Aux button that I can rig up to be the trunk pop button. Which I'm going to have 'em install for me.

So what would you do? What's the best course of action here?

[sqcomp]

Take a look at Autopage and their 2-way responder alarms.

I've got one from two years ago, their flagship model. While it's too big from what you're saying you want, the lower models are really good as well.

I've programmed trunk pop and stereo system start into my fob.

The graphics are cool on it as well, it an OLED moving graphic display. That's mine though.

...and yes it is possible. My Yaris has the factory controls on the key as well.

[BennyLava]

So it is possible to get an aftermarket Fob with your factory key built in. Good to know.

Also I heard somewhere that any alarm installer worth his salt can rig up any factory fob to work with any aftermarket alarm. Since they all basically work on the same technology, it kinda makes sense. Is this true though?

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by BennyLava

So it is possible to get an aftermarket Fob with your factory key built in. Good to know.

Also I heard somewhere that any alarm installer worth his salt can rig up any factory fob to work with any aftermarket alarm. Since they all basically work on the same technology, it kinda makes sense. Is this true though?

Aftermarket alarms are no problem with the factory fob, but aftermarket remote starters are a bit of an issue. The problem is that the OEM keyless entry locks out the remote once the car is started, so if you remote start the car, when you got to the car you have to use the key to unlock the door.

[BennyLava]

Couldn't you just use the fob to unlock the doors before you use the start button? Or perhaps disable the factory keyless entry system and just use your factory remote with the aftermarket keyless entry system that comes with the new alarm. Must be some kind of workaround.

Also does anyone know if there is some way to remove the actual metal key out of the factory fob and somehow insert it into an aftermarket fob? So its still it was from the factory. That way, you don't have that extra bulk on your keychain. Gets kind of annoying when you have all that mess in your pockets.

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by BennyLava

Couldn't you just use the fob to unlock the doors before you use the start button? Or perhaps disable the factory keyless entry system and just use your factory remote with the aftermarket keyless entry system that comes with the new alarm. Must be some kind of workaround.

Also does anyone know if there is some way to remove the actual metal key out of the factory fob and somehow insert it into an aftermarket fob? So its still it was from the factory. That way, you don't have that extra bulk on your keychain. Gets kind of annoying when you have all that mess in your pockets.

You can unlock and then start, but some people prefer to have it locked while it is sitting there running. When using the aftermarket remote everything works, but you lose the key integration.

I haven't seen any aftermarket ones that allow you to mount the existing key. If you did find one you would have to be super careful cutting the rubber off your key, since the tiny RF transponder is within it.

[BennyLava]

So basically with our cars, you're going to have the big factory key, and another fob on your keychain if you go aftermarket. Hmm. Makes you wonder if there is perhaps another toyota Keyfob combo, (possibly for the camry or corolla or a lexus or something) that has more buttons that the key could be somehow replicated to be a yaris key. That way you would get the two buttons you lack. Which would be remote start, and trunk pop.

Or, perhaps there is just another Yaris key that you could get, that's smaller. And doesn't have the fob integrated. Then you could ditch the bulk of the factory fob and the aftermarket fob wouldn't be just another big glob on your keychain.

[suckerface]

I like the ones offered by Advanced Keys, though they are a bit complicated. Supports PTS, remote start, and smart entry for around $300. However, downside is, their website expired 2 days ago and is currently locked, so I have NO idea what the situation is with it.

[NEexpat]

BennyLava,

I've thought about the very same thing. I installed the Viper/DEI Valet 211/712, whatever it was, I forget now, and I really would like to incorporate the transponder key and keyless fob into one unit.

I've looked around to try to find a solution. (Move the guts of the fob into the fob shell of a transponder key blank and get it cut and programmed, I haven't found a shell where the buttons line up the same for my particular brand) for now I'll just continue to carry them around, more EDC bulk.

If you find a solution let us know.

[CTScott]

^ That's exactly what I was going to say. The problem with the OEM remotes (and most of the aftermarket ones) is that the switches are the carbon contact PCB type, which means that the circuit board is designed around the location of the switches. So, moving the guts of one to the other is not really do-able.

[BennyLava]

Im betting the Yaris isn't the only Toyota that uses that kind of key setup. Its likely there could be some kind of interchange, possibly with a key that just has the chip in it for verification with the computer, but no actual Fob. If so you'd just change that out and then get your normal aftermarket fob going. Might be a good way to ditch the unnecessary bulk of the factory fob. I'll check into it but it may take me a month but I'll post up the results.

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by BennyLava

Im betting the Yaris isn't the Toyota that uses that kind of key setup. Its likely there could be some kind of interchange, possibly with a key that just has the chip in it for verification with the computer, but no actual Fob. If so you'd just change that out and then get your normal aftermarket fob going. Might be a good way to ditch the unnecessary bulk of the factory fob. I'll check into it but it may take me a month but I'll post up the results.

The Yaris transponder key is common with many other Toyota vehicles. My 09 has the transponder key, which looks identical in size and shape to a non-transponder key (except for the little dot machined into the key to indicate it is a transponder key). My 09 had power, but not keyless, so I installed a remote starter/keyless entry system, which has a reasonably sized remote. I installed a hatch popper and can fire that from the remote as well. I am in the process of wrapping all of that up on Crashy 2 as well. I installed a cheapy Avital system on Crashy 2 and the four button remote for it is even smaller than the UltraStart one for my 09.

[BennyLava]

So that's pretty much the answer. Now I just gotta figure out how to get a new transponder key (sans the fob component) configured on the cheap. Ebay maybe.

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by BennyLava

So that's pretty much the answer. Now I just gotta figure out how to get a new transponder key (sans the fob component) configured on the cheap. Ebay maybe.

89785-60160 is the part number for the transponder key blanks. You can get them for under $10 on eBay.

By the way, here's a size comparison of my two remotes versus an OEM Yaris key remote. Also, notice that the bottom key is the transponder key from my 09, so the rubber part is a bit larger than the non-transponder from Crashy2, who's an 08.

Key fobs.jpg

[BennyLava]

Nice man thanks that's a huge help! I'll just get one of those and ditch the factory keyfob in favor of the aftermarket fob. You've been a great help to me.

[BennyLava]

Only thing is... how do you get the new transponder key to work in your car's computer?

I assume its a weird process. Like some cars, you put the key in, and turn it to the on position. Then you tap the brake twice, buckle the seat belt, and set the emergency brake. Weird stuff like that. Is it something weird like that to get the car's computer to recognize the new key?

[CTScott]

1. Insert a previously registered key into the
ignition key cylinder. Remove and insert it
again. Repeat this 4 times (within 35 seconds)
Security Indicator: BLINKING

2. Open and close the driver door 6 times.

3. Remove the key.
Security Indicator: ON

4. Insert the master key to be registered into
the ignition key cylinder (within 10 seconds)

5. After 60 seconds, the key is registered.
Security Indicator: BLINKING

6. Security indicator goes off.

7. Remove the key.

[BennyLava]

Nice. I guess you're that one guy that every board has that knows everything. lol

And then... I guess you just take your new blank key to walmart or Home Depot and get it cut to match the old one? Doesn't seem like there would be any complications there but sometimes if a key doesn't fit their size requirements, they can't do it.