20v vvti

[DoriKnights]

ok yaris heads... so i recently posted a thread on 2zzge, my search continues for a motor that puts out more power that wont *uck me financially.. some one mentioned then 20v 4age it is off of a levin and is FF and so i think this will be a more convinient swap , its awsome OEM ITB'S .. i need input out there sure its older but, its off an ff platform and just a lil bigger.. 1.6, the engine is fairly cheap, to those hardcore enthusiests out there, know of any one who has done it..? what major fabs will i be looking at..? how different are the tranny's and the mounts, i will be doing research as well.. but the comunity will probably help a lot more than some sites..

[weaponrcamry]

Yes, I remember that post a while back. I am the one that posted about the 4age 20 valve black top. The pictures I posted a while back are from overseas somewhere. What I heard a while back is that the company that did the swaps got shut down some how. Not because of the swaps something else, maybe they didn't get enough business. But here is what you should check first before you do this, unless you are towing the car on the back of a trailer and you won't be driving it on the street.

For example I will use California because it seems to be the strictest.
California lets you to swap engines into you vehicle, as long the the engine is the same year or newer than the chassis with all of the wiring that works.

What this means is that the blacktop is a motor that was used in the 1990-1999 I think??

Know the only motor that was produced newer or the same year as the yaris(U.S. spec). You only options are the 1zzfe, 2zz-ge, rebuild the 1nz-fe, or the new dual vvti (2RZ-FE the new xd/corolla) These are the motors that I know will fit in the chassis, and will pass the emissions visual check when that time comes. Check you emissions law if you have one, if you don't, I would do the 20valve black top. Good luck. :)

[DoriKnights]

Originally Posted by DoriKnights

ok yaris heads... so i recently posted a thread on 2zzge, my search continues for a motor that puts out more power that wont *uck me financially.. some one mentioned then 20v 4age it is off of a levin and is FF and so i think this will be a more convinient swap , its awsome OEM ITB'S .. i need input out there sure its older but, its off an ff platform and just a lil bigger.. 1.6, the engine is fairly cheap, to those hardcore enthusiests out there, know of any one who has done it..? what major fabs will i be looking at..? how different are the tranny's and the mounts, i will be doing research as well.. but the comunity will probably help a lot more than some sites..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-4...16508226QQrdZ1

[weaponrcamry]

Ok here is a little list that I came up for the swap.

1. Engine $900
2. 5 speed Tranny $200
3. Master Ecu?
4. Clutch Pedals?
5. Shift Linkage?
6. Shift boot?
7. Clutch Resvoir?
8. Axles?
9. Hubs?
10. Brakes?
11. Shift bushings?
12. Custom Suspension?
13. Knuckles?
14.Custom downpipe?
15. Custom intake?
16. WIRING?
17. Power steering?
18. Man HOURS!!!!
19. Custom Drive Shaft
20.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
21. More Man Hours.... Whooo HAhaha.

You can probably get a way with spending about 10k if you do it yourself, get junkyard parts. But 15k for sure. Their are no resources, that we know of. What you really should do is get a hold of Street Image. They have did the swap before. http://www.streetimage.com/#

I posted this a while back to on the forums.


http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/sho...&highlight=2zz

Oh yea, while reading, it says about the 2zz-fe. Their is no such thing. I am 1000% sure you cannot use a fe head, on the the 2zz-ge motor, they are totally different, and it wouldn't just work. To be honest I would do either the 2zz-ge swap, or just boost the 1nz-fe motor. Their are after-market parts available for both engines. Until then be--------->

Please trust me on this one...


Engine Changes

Engine changes are legal as long as the following requirements are met to ensure that the change does not increase pollution from the vehicle:

* The engine must be the same year or newer than the vehicle.

* The engine must be from the same type of vehicle (passenger car, light-duty truck, heavy-duty truck, etc.) based on gross vehicle weight.

* All emissions control equipment must remain on the installed engine.


I will email them myself 2 morrow, and ask them what was actually involved with the swap.

[ChinoCharles]

IMHO, the 4A-GE 20v motor swap is the pinnacle of Yaris modding. I would pay good money to see it happen one day, but I'm not holding my breath.

A quick crash course c/o Wikipedia...

4A-GE (20-valve)

black-top 20 Valve 4A-GELU Engine(Japanese-spec) in 1996 Carina GTA special 4A-GE was produced from 1991 through 1998 to replace the 16 valve 4A-GE. It was a naturally-aspirated engine with an additional intake valve for each cylinder, making it one of the first production 5-valve engines in history. These generation engines also featured quad throttle bodies. The engine can be recognized by its silver or black top. This was the last of the 4A family to be produced. Toyota VVT was used for 160–165 hp (123–127 kW) at 7800 rpm and 120 ft·lbf (162 N·m) at 5600 rpm, quite impressive for a naturally-aspirated 1.6 L engine. Note that although VVT was present in the silver top and the black top 4A-GE, VVT-i was not available.

Some Racing team participating in the Group A of the JGTC, using either the AE101, AE86 or AE82 corollas. These cars used modified silvertop versions of the engine, capable of approximately 240 Horsepower at 11,000 RPM.[citation needed]

Applications:

1992 Toyota Corolla Levin, Sprinter Trueno AE101 (silver-top) All GT models (GT Apex GT-V etc)
1995 Toyota Corolla Levin, Sprinter Trueno AE111 (black-top) All BZ models (BZG, BZR, BZV etc)

[GuySmily]

This is a popular swap among us 1st gen MR2 guys. Then again, we already have 4age's in our cars..

At least for the Yaris the manual tranny is in the same family (c-series). You may not need to buy a new one.

Here's one example:
http://www.padandwheels.com/mr2/blac.../blacktop.html

[DoriKnights]

Originally Posted by GuySmily

This is a popular swap among us 1st gen MR2 guys. Then again, we already have 4age's in our cars..

At least for the Yaris the manual tranny is in the same family (c-series). You may not need to buy a new one.

Here's one example:
http://www.padandwheels.com/mr2/blac.../blacktop.html

just found out @ scionlife.com that the tranny may just bolt right on.. .... since they have pretty much the same layout.. well the xa.. .. hmm more research...

[YarisGuy]

Originally Posted by DoriKnights

just found out @ scionlife.com that the tranny may just bolt right on.. .... since they have pretty much the same layout.. well the xa.. .. hmm more research...

Very interesting! Look to see if you can find part numbers on the clutch and flywheel for the Yaris and MR2. If they match, you are one step closer.

[weaponrcamry]

yes, we have discovered that the tranny from the 4age bolts right up to the yaris 1nz-fe if that's what you are talking about?? Maybe vice versa to. It wouldn't make since to put the yaris tranny onto the 4age because it is weaker IMO.. Just get the whole tranny that comes with the 4age(STRONGER). If you do this project please write a write up. The seems very interesting. I also here that the 2zz-fe tranny bolts up to the 1nz-fe also.


How much power do you want??? You can get about 220-230whp on the stock motor/tranny until you have to rebuild or so. The stock crank is good for around 9,000-9,500rpm.

Why don't you get this motor. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4AGE-...QQcmdZViewItem It has all the things that you need.
It would be better to get a whole front clip, but o well. The most difficult part of the swap is the wiring. Have fun...

[DoriKnights]

so far there are others in the scion comunity attempting the same swap.... check it out

"according to some reading, the C50 and C160 transmissions fit it thus the xB and xA's C150 will fit just fine. just seems to be an obviouse swap option and looks to be more on the simple side compared to other options

[DoriKnights]

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=176180

check it..

[YarisGuy]

This thread is getting very interesting!

[KS SOLO]

It would seem a lot of work to get 160hp?, when you can just add a turbo now and get the same results, much cleaner, less custom, or am I missing something? Or this just one of those projects done for the pushing the envelope?

[DoriKnights]

ok i never have done so much damn research in my life! but this swap would be hella worth it.. at least i would think so, sure turbo is the easy way to more power but this engine simply is beautiful, that power NA with still more potential to go

HERE ARE SOME PICS OF A BLACK TOPS ENGINE BAY
http://www.japparts.com.au/images/20vblk.jpg

AND YARIS ENGINE BAY, SOMETHING U HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE .. JK
http://images.motortrend.com/oftheye...ngine_view.jpg

[NotAMini]

I've been playing with these motor for a long time. Putting them into Ae86 and AW11, are fun, but you are limited to where you could get parts from. For example where are you going to get a cap and rotor when you need them? For some reason the 160 hp just don't seem as strong as the Honda 160 hp. If I was to go NA on a Yaris, I would look into the Corolla engine instead. 170hp and smog legal.

[Black Magic Hatch]

to the threadstarter, ive done countless swaps for 20vs into hachirokus, and even then the swap is dificult and costly, it is possible to get the swap to work on our yaris but the biggest concern is the wiring since our newer harness and the older harness, youll have to graft the harnesses together or get hybrid racing to fabricate you one up but even then your looking at having to offer your chassis for them to be able to do that. My 2 cents and an honest opinion for the amount of money it will take for this swap to work which will be in the 10K to 16K range it would be safer and a bit easier to swap the 2zz from a celica both swaps would be around the same price range the wiring would be easier and also youd start out with a more potent platform to work with, with vvtl-i as oppossed to our vvt. That swap would be similiar to a k-swap into a 2000 civic, same power and speed potential. Good luck and for your own benefit id contact hybrid racing as well as hasport for some mounts.

[weaponrcamry]

For some reason the 160 hp just don't seem as strong as the Honda 160 hp. If I was to go NA on a Yaris, I would look into the Corolla engine instead. 170hp and smog legal.

edited

Yes that is what I have been trying to say all this time. You can't swap a older engine in a new chassis. That motor is old news, and won't pass the smog, or visual check of emissions. The 2zz is the most up to date motor if you want that high reving motor. Yea hondas engines are race inspired from the factory. Toyota lost the racing spirit between the 87-2002 era in my opinion. Supras, rwd corolla, mr2 etc....