Yaris vs. Camry - Yaris looses

[TheSilkySmooth]

OMG I though our structure was a bit more robust than this, but, this is probably the worst type of offset head-on crash you could get into - only the DS front 1/3 engaged. I don't feel as safe as I did just seeing the standard offset barrier crash test viddy.

Check it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcTf78b8WfY

[TinyGiant]

poor yaris.. what a waste lol

[john21031]

this has been discussed before many times... small cars dont do well against heavy ones in these kinds of crashes...

[supmet]

Originally Posted by TinyGiant

poor yaris.. what a waste lol

Exactly. Why waste money testing a one in a million accident. Both drivers would have to be asleep to not attempt ANY correction, and then still it is a slim chance to line up their forces perfectly opposite of each other. If either car had their course set 1 degree off of that test, the results would have been far less catastrophic.

Also, I don't feel like looking for camry vs 4000 lb vehicle collisions, but I don't think you're walking away from a head on with 7 series or a suburban with just a few bruises.

[TheSilkySmooth]

Originally Posted by john21031

this has been discussed before many times... small cars dont do well against heavy ones in these kinds of crashes...

Camry isnt that heavy, maybe 3400lbs? Prob = a 50mph barrier crash.

[Yaris Hilton]

No. The cars were both going 40 MPH, so if they were of equal mass it would be like an 80 MPH single vehicle collision. But because the Camry is ~1000 lbs heavier than the Yaris, they don't stop equally quickly. The Yaris is driven backward instead of coming to a halt, and therefore it's like a considerably faster barrier collision. 100 MPH, say.

The same physics apply with the Camry vs. a big Toyota pickup, or that pickup against a larger truck...

[voodoo22]

I don't like seeing this, but if you get a Camry to feel safer, then where does it end? With everyone drive full sized rigs? I'll continue to remain alert and stick at or below speed limits and enjoy our Yaris.

[roxy1]

Originally Posted by supmet

Exactly. Why waste money testing a one in a million accident. Both drivers would have to be asleep to not attempt ANY correction.

sorry, but to call these types of crashes one in a million is a little ignorant.

drunk driving fatalities often occur very similar to this, where the drunk driver, without any notice to the oncoming car, veers across the center line. same goes for drowsy drivers, distracted drivers, etc...leaving the other driver little or no time to make any correction. those type of drunk driving fatalities were part of the impetus for these crash tests in europe. 100% identical. no, but these offset crash test come very close to simulating those types of crashes.

from the IIHS Status Report, 2007.

A disproportionate number of fatal
crashes occur on rural roads, and most
such crashes occur on two-lane roads. A
major problem on these roads involves
vehicles crossing the centerlines and striking
opposing traffic. Crashes like these
account for about 20 percent of all fatal
crashes on rural two-lane roads. Approximately
4,500 deaths occur annually in
such collisions.

we all have to face the fact if we are in a head on or offset collision at even a moderate speed we have a decent chance of either dying instantly or being crippled and/or brain damaged for life. there are very few cars we would collide with that would afford us the opportunity to fare better than that in a head on crash.

as a small car driver i have always been very cognizant of this and am very dilligent in driving with the attitude that every driver on the road could be an idiot.

[supmet]

Originally Posted by roxy1

sorry, but to call these types of crashes one in a million is a little ignorant.

Wow a bunch of numbers that do nothing to show how often cars hit with exactly opposite forces, thanks!

Here is something from wiki that's actually useful:

# Head-on collision (123,000 crashes, only 2.0% of all US crashes, but 10.1% of US fatal crashes)

2% is low, but how many of those are exactly opposite vectors of each other?? 1% maybe? Probably less? I used 1 in a million before as an idiom, but it may not be far off.

[TheSilkySmooth]

Originally Posted by Yaris Hilton

No. The cars were both going 40 MPH, so if they were of equal mass it would be like an 80 MPH single vehicle collision.

You are incorrect here, Mr. Hilton. Simple physics, Newton's third law/conservation of momentum. If both vehicles weighed the same (Mass a=b) and they were traveling the same velocity and collided head on - this situation would be equivalent to a single vehicle collision into an immovable barrier (the Dozer in Vanishing Point?). What added to the structural damage is the 1/3 offset and the 1/2 tonne extra mass of the Camry. Without going through the calculus, I estimate a 50mph barrier collision. The Yaris damage in this trial isnt that much worse than vehicle structures 10 years ago; survivable but with injuries. Still ugly.

[cleong]

In this case, the Yaris wins.

It handles better, and can get you out of a dangerous situation instead of relying on its crash stars. Note how the Camry loses control, the Yaris is on the inside line of the Camry, and still retains enough control to brake in the same distance it takes the Camry to spin to a halt.

[texkid]

Originally Posted by supmet

Wow a bunch of numbers that do nothing to show how often cars hit with exactly opposite forces, thanks!

Here is something from wiki that's actually useful:

# Head-on collision (123,000 crashes, only 2.0% of all US crashes, but 10.1% of US fatal crashes)

2% is low, but how many of those are exactly opposite vectors of each other?? 1% maybe? Probably less? I used 1 in a million before as an idiom, but it may not be far off.

Well, look at the rate of crashed Yaris owners on this forum. We're up to 7, I believe? One of them ended up in the ICU. The number of yaris owners that post on this forum is a just a SMALL fraction of the total number of Yaris owners in the US from '06 to '09 models. Therefore, I bet there is some Yaris owner out there that did get into a really bad head on collision that we don't know about.

Besides, I would like for you to keep up that smug attitude if you were to have to explain to a mother how her child was the "1 in a million" that died in the collision.

Another thing is that when they test these types of accidents, they want to see how the car will handle in an absolute worst case scenario (e.g. head on collisions and t-bones).

[TheSilkySmooth]

Here's a 60 MPH real offest crash viddy (VERY UGLY) between two cars considered to have good structures. I dont think I could walk away from this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe3Jp...DC48B&index=25

[TheSilkySmooth]

I am not promoting heavier cars, I have driven sub-compacts for most of my life. They are maneuverable and can help a good driver AVOID an accident. Down with H2's, no Trailblaizers, No Yukons, No Ford Explorers, Expeditions, Excursions. etc! (I dont want them to hit me!)

[leasaunce]

check out the headlight! weeee!

[SilverBack]

See my comment on the first vid

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by supmet

Here is something from wiki that's actually useful:

# Head-on collision (123,000 crashes, only 2.0% of all US crashes, but 10.1% of US fatal crashes)

So, using those numbers at face value, you are 5 times more likely to die in a head-on crash than in any other. Which is about what you would expect from the carnage in the video. One of the drivers, at least, would have died.

[Sandwash]

Originally Posted by supmet

Exactly. Why waste money testing a one in a million accident. Both drivers would have to be asleep to not attempt ANY correction, and then still it is a slim chance to line up their forces perfectly opposite of each other. If either car had their course set 1 degree off of that test, the results would have been far less catastrophic.

Also, I don't feel like looking for camry vs 4000 lb vehicle collisions, but I don't think you're walking away from a head on with 7 series or a suburban with just a few bruises.

Yes - thank you; there is risk to driving/living, and good news is that risk can be reduced via consciousness and action. Drive well/alert and chances are we'll likely live to life expectancy, at least.