After 2 years with my Yaris I have one complaint - Toyota Yaris Forums

regal · 05-20-2011, 08:13 PM

It needs a six speed manual transmission, it just pises me off reving too high at 65mph wasting gas. I plan on keeping this thing 20 years as I am just don't like hybrids (due to long term maintenance issues.)

As anyone found a bolt in 6 speed? Will the new Yari's have a 6 speed?

marcus · 05-20-2011, 08:14 PM

someone did a swap on his tranny..try to look it up..

brg88tx · 05-21-2011, 12:28 AM

i can't complain, i still get 38 mpg with the cruise set on 78 with my automatic sedan.

Bredayaris · 05-21-2011, 09:44 AM

Here in Europe you only get the 1.0 vvti with a 5 speed transmission.
The 1.3 and 1.8 petrol and 1.4 diesel have a 6 speed transmission.

Hershey · 05-21-2011, 02:33 PM

Go in between with a 5 speed automatic or a C.V.T.. Could bump up the mileage . Better coasting . Notice this with the 2011 FIT with the 5 speed auto . We test drove a SX-4 wagon all-wheel drive with a 6 speed manual and another with the C.V.T. on the same roads / streets . The C.V.T. would coast better .

OTA'sTOY · 05-21-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by regal

It needs a six speed manual transmission, it just pises me off reving too high at 65mph wasting gas.

how high does your revs get in 5th @ 65mph?

you sure your in 5th gear not 3rd?

maybe time for you to replace the clutch

NZ-FE Vios · 05-21-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OTA'sTOY

how high does your revs get in 5th @ 65mph?

you sure your in 5th gear not 3rd?

maybe time for you to replace the clutch

In 5th at almost 70, I'm floating 3k rpm, 65 is about 2800rpm. Which is incredibly too high. I don't understand why Modern MTs don't always have a 6th, especially if one is already in production.

As previously eluded to is that our American engine (nzfe) is the top of the line n/a in Europe, they also have the sales and consumer base to have complaints refine the manufacturing. I believe it is the top selling car in its range in G.B. since 1999. Also Europeans sell so many more MTs and would hurt sales if it was only a 5spd. Why would Toyota have cared here in the states with a hugely disproportionate AT to MT sales, when the 5 to 6speed saves them in the long run. (the echo was great but didn't sell well in the states unfortunately)

I would be leery of a CVT they can shift faster than a human but have enumberable moving parts in compared to a MT. Toyotas CVT may be nicer but I prefer a standard.

The clutch really should not have anything to do with RPMs at speed.

Flipper_1938 · 05-21-2011, 09:40 PM

My 01 Echo had a lot taller final drive ratio. I hated the Yaris transmission almost immediately.

NZ-FE Vios · 05-21-2011, 10:07 PM

I haven't done any research but has anyone changed the final gear in the Yaris at the same time as clutch? Is there a different 5th gear that can be swapped in? I would think it would be cheaper than doing whole trans and have a similar affect as 4th and 5th gear are close in ratio

enviri · 05-21-2011, 11:40 PM

3k rpm @ 70 is too high? I've owned a good amount of japanese cars and i just find it being normal?

regal · 05-21-2011, 11:50 PM

Roughly guessing there is at least a 5gp boost if a 6th speed dropped the rev's to 2000ish. My guess is the engine doesn't have enough torque to be "safe" on the highway, probably some stupid safety regulation put in place to keep the mid east oil rigs pumping.

NZ-FE Vios · 05-22-2011, 12:20 AM

A friend had mentioned something along those saftey lines in re to civic and that's a 1.8 with a bit more power and torque. The gov also most likely doesn't want us to be able to cruise near 90mpg at 3krpm

Brianr4 · 05-22-2011, 10:15 AM

When I installed my tach my first thought was wishing I had a 6 speed to drop the rpm's down.
We would be looking at close to 50 mpg!

DMZ · 05-22-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by enviri

3k rpm @ 70 is too high? I've owned a good amount of japanese cars and i just find it being normal?

Yep.

I recall my 72 Subaru GL would show 3,460 RPM's @ 70 MPH. It had a 1.267L EA - 62 engine. Albeit, with a 4 Spd manual.

bronsin · 05-22-2011, 12:58 PM

A 6 speed transmission is NOT necessarily better for mileage. It all depends on the ratios. If 5th and 6th are numerically the same a six speed will use MORE gas! You have one more gear to accelerate in. The ideal would be a three speed with numerically identical 3rd gear to a five speed 5th. It would work here in flat NJ but probably not in hilly country.
SIx speeds and even five speeds are stupid consumer driven idiot inspired devices. Auto trans are similiarly going through the idiot process of more and more speeds.

why? · 05-22-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bronsin

A 6 speed transmission is NOT necessarily better for mileage. It all depends on the ratios. If 5th and 6th are numerically the same a six speed will use MORE gas! You have one more gear to accelerate in. The ideal would be a three speed with numerically identical 3rd gear to a five speed 5th. It would work here in flat NJ but probably not in hilly country.
SIx speeds and even five speeds are stupid consumer driven idiot inspired devices. Auto trans are similiarly going through the idiot process of more and more speeds.

I disagree. In some cases it is not necessary, but in these times when you want to eek out as much gas mileage as you can, the right gearing on a 6 speed will help tremendously.

To the Op, there is a 6 speed that fits, but If I remember the final drive might have been numerically lower, meaning it would get worse gas mileage. If you could swap the Echo's final drive in that woud be much better for gas mileage. Not sure how much that would cost though.

bronsin · 05-22-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by why?

I disagree. In some cases it is not necessary, but in these times when you want to eek out as much gas mileage as you can, the right gearing on a 6 speed will help tremendously.

The right gearing...would help no matter how many speeds...

vector9mm · 05-22-2011, 11:24 PM

[QUOTE=Flipper_1938;581790]My 01 Echo had a lot taller final drive ratio. I hated the Yaris transmission almost immediately.[/QUOTE

When the Yaris came out I noticed that the rated mpg was less than the Echo's. I think the last year Echo was 43 and the Yaris was 40 highway. These are before EPA changed their rating system. This explains a lot.

05-20-2011, 08:13 PM	#1
regal Drives: 09 Yaris 3 Dr White LB Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: PA Posts: 432	After 2 years with my Yaris I have one complaint It needs a six speed manual transmission, it just pises me off reving too high at 65mph wasting gas. I plan on keeping this thing 20 years as I am just don't like hybrids (due to long term maintenance issues.) As anyone found a bolt in 6 speed? Will the new Yari's have a 6 speed?

05-20-2011, 08:14 PM	#2
marcus toyota View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris RS Blazed Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: toronto, canada Posts: 3,637	someone did a swap on his tranny..try to look it up.. __________________ If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour... you're gonna see some serious shit!!!!!! "Horsepower is how fast you hit the object. Torque is how far you move that object.."

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enviri View User's Garage Drives: 2010 Yaris Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: CT Posts: 1,519	3k rpm @ 70 is too high? I've owned a good amount of japanese cars and i just find it being normal?

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regal Drives: 09 Yaris 3 Dr White LB Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: PA Posts: 432	Roughly guessing there is at least a 5gp boost if a 6th speed dropped the rev's to 2000ish. My guess is the engine doesn't have enough torque to be "safe" on the highway, probably some stupid safety regulation put in place to keep the mid east oil rigs pumping.

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Brianr4 Drives: 2008 Yaris 3dr Hatchback Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New Orleans Posts: 43	When I installed my tach my first thought was wishing I had a 6 speed to drop the rpm's down. We would be looking at close to 50 mpg!

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bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,792	A 6 speed transmission is NOT necessarily better for mileage. It all depends on the ratios. If 5th and 6th are numerically the same a six speed will use MORE gas! You have one more gear to accelerate in. The ideal would be a three speed with numerically identical 3rd gear to a five speed 5th. It would work here in flat NJ but probably not in hilly country. SIx speeds and even five speeds are stupid consumer driven idiot inspired devices. Auto trans are similiarly going through the idiot process of more and more speeds.

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