ABS and "!" lights are ON again! - Page 11 - Toyota Yaris Forums

devinlamothe · 02-22-2010, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jake

well, my brother in law was nice enough to do it.
He's a mechanic. He used a compressor and blew out the dirt and lubricated the sensor on both the left and right side.

Lights are off, then on, then off, like a christmas tree.
Each day is different.

He inspected my brakes as well and said they are good.

Just letting you know the fix doesn't always work.

thanks,
JB

Yeah, it could be the actual wire harness that is the problem, getting corroded (aka bare wires being exposed or frayed).

DJCrazyChris · 02-23-2010, 08:44 AM

Just called my dealer and the parts have arrived this AM, not even stocked on their shelves yet, but it will be fixed today....we'll see though.

fidgell · 02-23-2010, 08:25 PM

Been a while now since I did "the clean" and lights are still off even in our Barrie winter climate. I think if you catch it early enough its a good fix, if not the rot has already set in!

onizuka · 02-24-2010, 08:36 PM

CEO MR Toyoda is now at the hearing in Washington. I hope this serves as a big wake up call to all the Toyota execs from covering up potential defects. Act on it, recall this problem before we have to hear it again from CNN about this BS. I blame on the execs for not acting responsibility on it. Do you think Mr. Toyoda from Japan would over see everything that happens in North America...please...

Jake · 02-25-2010, 09:06 AM

Dear Ms. Brown:

We are sorry you are having difficulties with respect to your 2007 Yaris' speed sensor.

Since your vehicle has over 100,000 km on the odometer, we would not be able to offer you financial assistance towards the repair, i.e. the 3 year/60,000 km New Vehicle Warranty expired over 40,000 km ago.

Thank you for writing.

Cynthia Charlebois
Customer Interaction Centre
toyota_feedback@toyota.ca

Jake · 02-25-2010, 09:10 AM

Helo Cynthia,

It warms my heart that you are sorry I am having difficulties. Yes, I have a lot of highway kms on my car, but it is less than three years old. I had to do a lot of highway driving recently because my mother had brain cancer last year.

So are you saying that Toyota will only replace the defective parts for those people lucky enough to have them fail during warranty? That's not very good customer service is it?

I will patiently wait along with the 600 and more people with backordered parts until Toyota is forced to address this and has to do another recall for defective parts.

It's just a matter of time before they will have to own up to the fact that they know the sensors and harnesses in the 2007 Yaris's are defective. In the meantime, I'm going to be as vocal as I can so that this problem is brought into public awareness because it is not normal wear and tear, very expensive to fix, there is more than one side to fix, the problem can happen repeatedly, and the consumer should not be paying for defective parts that Toyota knows are defective.

Also, this is not the only problem. The ABS brakes come on when they should not be coming on, but then I'm sure that Toyotos already know this. People's safety is also at risk here, it's not just the money.

Please see the pdf of the technical service Bulletin that Toyota sent it's dealers on June 27, 2008 called T-SB-0120-08 ABS M.I.L. "ON" DTC C0210 or C0215 that I have attached for you.

It quotes " Some 2007- 2008 model year Yaris vehicles may exhibit an ABS M.I.L. "ON" condition with either one or both of the following Diagnostic Trouble Codes. (They KNOW about his problem)

Then goes on to say "The sealing performance of the rear wheel sensor connectors has been improved to address this condition. Use the following repair procedure to diagnose and repair customer complaint vehicles.

Then of course goes on to say to only repair if under warrantee. Shame on Toyota!!! They make the rest of us pay for defective parts even though
they have come up with an improvement.

Thankyou,
Jackie

mojoyaris · 02-26-2010, 02:00 AM

I hate to say it. Toyota Canada and Lexus Canada have not been very friendly lately.
I was getting a bad runaround from the competition guys at Lexus and they can't even give me a straight answer! Really!

I don't have ABS, but I did have a seatbelt problem. It still hasn't been fixed. Which doesn't matter anymore, the car is gutted out and out of warranty! LOL.

I did try to meet with someone at Toyota BC's head office in Richmond and the only person to talk to there is the security guard. I couldn't even find out who I could talk to.

It's a shame that Toyota thinks they're so big that they can't talk to a customer. They seem to leave it to the dealers to handle all the mess and nowadays it seems the dealers aren't any better. My GF has a 2009 Corolla which has been recalled..... She's had to bring it in three times and it's still not fixed.

Do you guys really need ABS? Why not just take it out?

devinlamothe · 02-26-2010, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mojoyaris

I hate to say it. Toyota Canada and Lexus Canada have not been very friendly lately.
I was getting a bad runaround from the competition guys at Lexus and they can't even give me a straight answer! Really!

I don't have ABS, but I did have a seatbelt problem. It still hasn't been fixed. Which doesn't matter anymore, the car is gutted out and out of warranty! LOL.

I did try to meet with someone at Toyota BC's head office in Richmond and the only person to talk to there is the security guard. I couldn't even find out who I could talk to.

It's a shame that Toyota thinks they're so big that they can't talk to a customer. They seem to leave it to the dealers to handle all the mess and nowadays it seems the dealers aren't any better. My GF has a 2009 Corolla which has been recalled..... She's had to bring it in three times and it's still not fixed.

Do you guys really need ABS? Why not just take it out?

The issue is we PAID for ABS, which is an added safety feature. Why would we just 'take it out'? That's giving up!

mojoyaris · 02-26-2010, 10:22 PM

I never liked the ABS in the Yaris. It kicked in too early for my taste. However since you wanted it in the first place it should be working in the first place. I totally agree with you and how Toyota should be doing something. Especially in light of all of this.

Have to say, I'm really dissapointed in them. It'd be nice for them to give me a call and prove otherwise.

Toyota, Lexus Canada, Hope you're reading this and give me a shout. You know who I am. Ask Chad.

Red Cell · 02-27-2010, 08:54 PM

Interesting.

My wife's pre-owned 2006 Yaris RS Auto-Hatch isn't even "3 hrs old" and I see that the dreaded ABS light has come on (was not there during the test-drive). Since we are fortunate enough to still have 1 year on the extended "and" 90 days bumper-bumper, I've already made the call to the dealership and have an apt for Tuesday.

Geez, we'll see how this turns out.

Red Cell.

Re: 37,500km's

devinlamothe · 03-03-2010, 07:57 AM

Guys, Ottawa is now investigating Toyota. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE if you have not already, lodge a complaint with the Transport Canada Complaint Dept. so they will see this IS an issue that needs to be resolved:

https://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/7/PCDB-BDpp?Index

Remember, the more people complain, the more Ottawa will have a case to pressure Toyota into doing something!

jznomoney · 03-16-2010, 12:31 PM

Is there a repair guide for this problem? A picture of the faulty harness and such?

fidgell · 03-16-2010, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jznomoney

Is there a repair guide for this problem? A picture of the faulty harness and such?

As one who did "the clean" and fixed the problem, which hasnt come back yet, Ive been asked by quite a few for a photo of the connection concerned. I plan to get this done soon as Ive been really busy, Im no internet ace though and am looking at how to get the picture on the board!!!

Watch this space!!!

WeeYari · 03-16-2010, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fidgell

Im no internet ace though and am looking at how to get the picture on the board!!!

Should help you.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11114

fidgell · 03-17-2010, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeeYari

Should help you.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11114

Thanks for that, Im changing out of the winter wheels this weekend so Ill take the pictures then and get them on here soon as I can.....

paulyates · 03-17-2010, 02:31 PM

Here's a pic of the ABS Sensor plug.
Credit to poster in Hub Spacer thread.
These are the front sensors I think, but would not imagine a big difference.

PY

onizuka · 03-16-2010, 07:01 PM

It would seem that once was enough for Toyota North America President Yoshimi Inaba. Just weeks after the top Toyota executive went before a congressional hearing in the United States, The Globe and Mail is reporting that Inaba has turned down a similar invitation to appear before the Canadian government. The topic of conversation? Why, the massive Toyota recall efforts and safety, of course.

Officials for the Harper Administration in Canada are expressing a great deal of disappointment at the apparent snub, with Merv Tweed, the Conservative MP chairing the Toyota committee, going so far as to say that Inaba's no-show would amount to a slight to the Canadian government and people, suggesting that Toyota perceives that the "American market is more important."

The Canadian government reportedly plans to once again request that Inaba attend its hearings. If Toyota refuses the request, parliament could issue a subpoena to Inaba, though the Toyota executive neither lives nor works in Canada, meaning he could potentially avoid the summons by keeping out of the country entirely.

For its part, Toyota Canada claims it does not report to Inaba and notes that CEO Yoichi Tomihara and managing director Stephen Beatty will attend on behalf of the company.

UPDATE: Despite continuing to insist that Toyota North America President Yoshimi Inaba has no responsibility for matters regarding recall and safety issues in Canada, Toyota has relented and Inaba will appear before the Parliament of Canada today.

[Source: The Globe and Mail]

Bluevitz-rs · 03-22-2010, 04:36 PM

Yeah, there should be an ABS relay you can pull from the fuse panel under the hood.

02-25-2010, 09:06 AM	#5
Jake Drives: 1997 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ontario Posts: 9	Toyota's response to my complaint. Dear Ms. Brown: We are sorry you are having difficulties with respect to your 2007 Yaris' speed sensor. Since your vehicle has over 100,000 km on the odometer, we would not be able to offer you financial assistance towards the repair, i.e. the 3 year/60,000 km New Vehicle Warranty expired over 40,000 km ago. Thank you for writing. Cynthia Charlebois Customer Interaction Centre toyota_feedback@toyota.ca

02-25-2010, 09:10 AM	#6
Jake Drives: 1997 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ontario Posts: 9	My response back to Toyota Helo Cynthia, It warms my heart that you are sorry I am having difficulties. Yes, I have a lot of highway kms on my car, but it is less than three years old. I had to do a lot of highway driving recently because my mother had brain cancer last year. So are you saying that Toyota will only replace the defective parts for those people lucky enough to have them fail during warranty? That's not very good customer service is it? I will patiently wait along with the 600 and more people with backordered parts until Toyota is forced to address this and has to do another recall for defective parts. It's just a matter of time before they will have to own up to the fact that they know the sensors and harnesses in the 2007 Yaris's are defective. In the meantime, I'm going to be as vocal as I can so that this problem is brought into public awareness because it is not normal wear and tear, very expensive to fix, there is more than one side to fix, the problem can happen repeatedly, and the consumer should not be paying for defective parts that Toyota knows are defective. Also, this is not the only problem. The ABS brakes come on when they should not be coming on, but then I'm sure that Toyotos already know this. People's safety is also at risk here, it's not just the money. Please see the pdf of the technical service Bulletin that Toyota sent it's dealers on June 27, 2008 called T-SB-0120-08 ABS M.I.L. "ON" DTC C0210 or C0215 that I have attached for you. It quotes " Some 2007- 2008 model year Yaris vehicles may exhibit an ABS M.I.L. "ON" condition with either one or both of the following Diagnostic Trouble Codes. (They KNOW about his problem) Then goes on to say "The sealing performance of the rear wheel sensor connectors has been improved to address this condition. Use the following repair procedure to diagnose and repair customer complaint vehicles. Then of course goes on to say to only repair if under warrantee. Shame on Toyota!!! They make the rest of us pay for defective parts even though they have come up with an improvement. Thankyou, Jackie

02-26-2010, 02:00 AM	#7
mojoyaris Ecurie Snoopy Lives View User's Garage Drives: Jojo Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver Posts: 447	I hate to say it. Toyota Canada and Lexus Canada have not been very friendly lately. I was getting a bad runaround from the competition guys at Lexus and they can't even give me a straight answer! Really! I don't have ABS, but I did have a seatbelt problem. It still hasn't been fixed. Which doesn't matter anymore, the car is gutted out and out of warranty! LOL. I did try to meet with someone at Toyota BC's head office in Richmond and the only person to talk to there is the security guard. I couldn't even find out who I could talk to. It's a shame that Toyota thinks they're so big that they can't talk to a customer. They seem to leave it to the dealers to handle all the mess and nowadays it seems the dealers aren't any better. My GF has a 2009 Corolla which has been recalled..... She's had to bring it in three times and it's still not fixed. Do you guys really need ABS? Why not just take it out? __________________ Sponsors and Organizations: Toyota Rally Canada Yokohama Tire Canada Western Canada Rally Association Ecurie (Team) Snoopy Canada, racing since 1966

02-26-2010, 10:22 PM	#9
mojoyaris Ecurie Snoopy Lives View User's Garage Drives: Jojo Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver Posts: 447	I never liked the ABS in the Yaris. It kicked in too early for my taste. However since you wanted it in the first place it should be working in the first place. I totally agree with you and how Toyota should be doing something. Especially in light of all of this. Have to say, I'm really dissapointed in them. It'd be nice for them to give me a call and prove otherwise. Toyota, Lexus Canada, Hope you're reading this and give me a shout. You know who I am. Ask Chad. __________________ Sponsors and Organizations: Toyota Rally Canada Yokohama Tire Canada Western Canada Rally Association Ecurie (Team) Snoopy Canada, racing since 1966

03-17-2010, 02:31 PM	#16
paulyates Drives: 2007 HB Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Europe Posts: 5	Picture of clip from another poster Here's a pic of the ABS Sensor plug. Credit to poster in Hub Spacer thread. These are the front sensors I think, but would not imagine a big difference. PY Attached Images

02-23-2010, 08:44 AM	#2
DJCrazyChris Drives: Yaris Hatchback Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ontario Posts: 5	Just called my dealer and the parts have arrived this AM, not even stocked on their shelves yet, but it will be fixed today....we'll see though.

02-23-2010, 08:25 PM	#3
fidgell Drives: 2006 Yaris RS 3 door Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Barrie ON Canada Posts: 58	Been a while now since I did "the clean" and lights are still off even in our Barrie winter climate. I think if you catch it early enough its a good fix, if not the rot has already set in!

02-24-2010, 08:36 PM	#4
onizuka Drives: Yaris Blk 5 Drs RS Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 45	CEO MR Toyoda is now at the hearing in Washington. I hope this serves as a big wake up call to all the Toyota execs from covering up potential defects. Act on it, recall this problem before we have to hear it again from CNN about this BS. I blame on the execs for not acting responsibility on it. Do you think Mr. Toyoda from Japan would over see everything that happens in North America...please...

02-27-2010, 08:54 PM	#10
Red Cell I've made a post! Drives: 2006 Yaris RS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 1	Interesting. My wife's pre-owned 2006 Yaris RS Auto-Hatch isn't even "3 hrs old" and I see that the dreaded ABS light has come on (was not there during the test-drive). Since we are fortunate enough to still have 1 year on the extended "and" 90 days bumper-bumper, I've already made the call to the dealership and have an apt for Tuesday. Geez, we'll see how this turns out. Red Cell. Re: 37,500km's

03-03-2010, 07:57 AM	#11
devinlamothe Drives: '07 Yaris HB Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sudbury, Canada Posts: 520	Guys, Ottawa is now investigating Toyota. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE if you have not already, lodge a complaint with the Transport Canada Complaint Dept. so they will see this IS an issue that needs to be resolved: https://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/7/PCDB-BDpp?Index Remember, the more people complain, the more Ottawa will have a case to pressure Toyota into doing something!

03-16-2010, 12:31 PM	#12
jznomoney Drives: Yaris Sedan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: PA Posts: 9	Is there a repair guide for this problem? A picture of the faulty harness and such?

03-16-2010, 07:01 PM	#17
onizuka Drives: Yaris Blk 5 Drs RS Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 45	It would seem that once was enough for Toyota North America President Yoshimi Inaba. Just weeks after the top Toyota executive went before a congressional hearing in the United States, The Globe and Mail is reporting that Inaba has turned down a similar invitation to appear before the Canadian government. The topic of conversation? Why, the massive Toyota recall efforts and safety, of course. Officials for the Harper Administration in Canada are expressing a great deal of disappointment at the apparent snub, with Merv Tweed, the Conservative MP chairing the Toyota committee, going so far as to say that Inaba's no-show would amount to a slight to the Canadian government and people, suggesting that Toyota perceives that the "American market is more important." The Canadian government reportedly plans to once again request that Inaba attend its hearings. If Toyota refuses the request, parliament could issue a subpoena to Inaba, though the Toyota executive neither lives nor works in Canada, meaning he could potentially avoid the summons by keeping out of the country entirely. For its part, Toyota Canada claims it does not report to Inaba and notes that CEO Yoichi Tomihara and managing director Stephen Beatty will attend on behalf of the company. UPDATE: Despite continuing to insist that Toyota North America President Yoshimi Inaba has no responsibility for matters regarding recall and safety issues in Canada, Toyota has relented and Inaba will appear before the Parliament of Canada today. [Source: The Globe and Mail]

03-22-2010, 04:36 PM	#18
Bluevitz-rs 1NZ-6spd View User's Garage Drives: '05 6-Spd Vitz RS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,967	Yeah, there should be an ABS relay you can pull from the fuse panel under the hood.