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06-18-2010, 09:03 AM | #1 |
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Shifting without the clutch
Does anyone routinely shift without using the clutch? I did this for years on my 5 speed F350, and as long as you are in the right rpm range the shifts are just as smooth as using the clutch. The Yaris seems tailor made for this type of driving if you use common sense.
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06-18-2010, 09:32 AM | #2 |
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Using common sense implies using the clutch. Transmission synchros can cope with clutchless shifting to a point, if you're cruising under neutral power so there's little or no torque on the gears, but they'll wear out a lot faster than if you declutch as you should. If you really want to reduce wear, you'll double clutch to match the speed of the gears before they start to engage again. The proper way to shift without using the clutch is to buy an automatic.
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06-18-2010, 09:40 AM | #3 |
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Why should one not use the clutch? Laziness?
The Yaris has no dogbox so you should use the clutch at any gear change. It is no "kind of driving" it is just abuse. |
06-18-2010, 09:42 AM | #4 |
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excuse me,Yaris Hilton..
but what do you mean by "double clutch"? and can i perform it if i have robotic transmission?
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06-18-2010, 11:00 AM | #6 | |
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06-18-2010, 10:06 AM | #7 |
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No need to call me names. Lazy I am not. I was just curious if this technique was used by anyone else. BTW, using this technique my F350 had 576,000 miles on it before I gave it away to a gentleman in the church who needed a reliable daily driver. I hope your Yaris last at least half as long. Ill continue to do what I want and you all can continue your childish ways. Thanks and have a great day.
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06-18-2010, 10:10 AM | #8 | |
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That is no offense. I still don't get the advantage of your technique. Can you explain it to us? |
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06-18-2010, 10:32 AM | #9 |
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Its not like Im saving a few milliseconds by not using the clutch, I was just making a statement as to what was possible. However the clutchless shifting appears to be slightly smoother.
Its funny how so called forum experts chime in as to what is detrimental to a vehicle, such as in oil debates, but they have no empirical proof. Im sure no one expected the 400k Yaris on this forum to last that long while doing regular top speed runs. My vehicle is paid for and I plan on keeping it for its entire service life. When I get to 200, 300, or even 400k miles without a transmission related failure, Ill let you know. Until then keep on giving expert advice. |
06-18-2010, 10:37 AM | #10 |
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Sure I did/do it all the time with my ECHO and now with my Suzuki DL1000. Its a good skill to have. Once on a 500 mile trip from home my Toyota pickup had the clutch pedal freeze in the up position. You couldnt push it dowm. A bolt had worked out and got jamed in the mechanism. I had to R&R the trans and fix it. But before I could do that I drove 500 miles home with no clutch! If youre wondering how to start moving heres how: put the trans in first and crank the engine. The vehicle will move and the engine start. If you have a "push the clutch in to start" car, then youll have to disable it. First thing Idid on my ECHO.
Clutchless shifting on my Suzuki is incredibly smooth. Even downshifting. That transmission is amazing. |
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Downshifting without clutch needs a little more practice and i would not recommend it even if it could work smoothly. |
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Practice on a Zuk DL1000 and you'll be an expert in no time! |
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06-18-2010, 12:34 PM | #13 | |
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If not using the clutch pedal was smoother or more economical or faster or, hell, brought magical baby unicorns back from extinction, then there wouldn't be a clutch pedal in the car. It was easier on a damn F350 because that's a work truck with some meaningful torque to it. Don't walk onto these forums and immediately start throwing boulders in your glass house because everyone else here shut you down with your clutchless shifting. -SAV
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unicorns are extinct and therefore actually exisited? and who's slinging boulders now, mr 26 posts...?
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06-18-2010, 12:41 PM | #15 | |
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Come now, good sir, low post counts does not mean a lack of knowledge. I've lurked for a few years now. What was that saying about being thought a fool, rather than opening your mouth so everyone KNEW you were a fool? -SAV
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06-18-2010, 01:13 PM | #16 |
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[QUOTE=SAV912;482078]How the hell is it CHILDISH to use a car the way it was suppose to be used?
If not using the clutch pedal was smoother or more economical or faster or, hell, brought magical baby unicorns back from extinction, then there wouldn't be a clutch pedal in the car. It was easier on a damn F350 because that's a work truck with some meaningful torque to it. Don't walk onto these forums and immediately start throwing boulders in your glass house because everyone else here shut you down with your clutchless shifting. Then maybe this is not the forum for me. I was under the impression that this forum was a place where useful ideas and opinions could be expressed without fear of abuse regarding our beloved Yaris. Im sorry you do not agree with my shifting technique and Im not holding a gun to your head to follow in my footsteps. All I was asking was if anyone else employed this technique. It looks like some do and some dont. Fine by me. Dont walk in here....damn f350...unicorns? It is quite possible sir that the reason I do not have 500 posts is because my Yaris is trouble free and I have finer things to do then spend my unaccounted for time on an econobox forum. But good luck to you. |
06-18-2010, 01:18 PM | #17 | |
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My Yaris is trouble free as well and the only problem I've had with it was something I did myself. Cracking the front bumper running over a tractor gator on I95. But I hardly consider that the car's fault. FWIW, I've tried clutchless shifting in my Yaris and found it to be cumbersome and shaky, at best. Awful grinding noises at worst. I used to be perfectly capable of clutchless shifting on my old Mark III Jetta. And I had to be. The clutch cable on that hunk of shit snapped. Twice. If you can do it, fantastic. More power to you. It's a carefully executed art, albeit one that I don't care to perfect at the cost of my transmission's synchros. Since I got a moderator to step in though, I do apologize for my harsh first post. I still firmly believe unicorns once existed though. -SAV
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06-18-2010, 11:08 AM | #18 |
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i could do it in my matrix xrs...but i cant remember the rpms to do it
i havent found the clutchless spot on the yaris (yet)...if you find out, let us know i don't think it hurts the synchros at all, PK, there just an area in the gearing in most cars where you can pull it out of gear and put it into the next one w/o using the clutch
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