Ford Fiesta: 40 mpg Hwy

[bronsin]

The NY times is claiming that the new Ford Fiesta gets 40 mpg highway and 29 mpg city. Car starts @ $14k.

[127.0.0.1]

Only when the power shift transmission hits the sweet spot on the highway

manual tranny gets 37 mpg highway

both get 29 mpg city.

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essentially, not a Yaris killer by any means. but they will sell a lot of Fords.

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pricing starts at $13,995. but that will NOT get you the high mileage version.

Only the super zoot version gets the good MPG, and that is the higher price fiesta, not the 14,000 one,.



also..reliability...remember who's boss. [but if you do have to go US, Ford is the most reliable of the rest]


not too shabby specs. sulev and pzev
electric driven AC and sulev is where the MPG comes from, plus the overdrive+ of the auto tranny
http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...esta_Specs.pdf

[bronsin]

Its got a 1.6 liter engine. Hard to understand how it can rival the Yaris which has a 1.5 liter engine.

[127.0.0.1]

Originally Posted by bronsin

Its got a 1.6 liter engine. Hard to understand how it can rival the Yaris which has a 1.5 liter engine.

these 4 things a Yaris doesn't have

sulev/pzev
electric a/c
higher geared overdrive
Ti-VCT variable cam timing vs Yaris VVT-i which is variable valve timing.
(this is Fords version of VVT-i and means more fine tuning unobtainable with VVT-i
2 fully independent variable camshafts. can't do that in the Toyota. both
cams are in sync)


how is that hard to understand ?



also...

do not crap yourself when GM releases new cars with 45 mpg non-hybrid. the MPG ratings
of old are coming back, due to advances in catalyst technology GM just revealed. no longer will there be a need
to have as much unspent fuel fire the cat. they can now seriously reduce unburnt fuel and
keep emissions down. with current cat technology, you must have some unburnt fuel get wasted
to burn up in the cat or non-co2 (the toxic ones) emissions go through the roof. GM has new material that
cuts the need for unspent fuel way back, allowing more finite tuning of the cam and combustion process.

[slothman86]

Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1

these 4 things a Yaris doesn't have

sulev/pzev
electric a/c
higher geared overdrive
Ti-VCT variable cam timing vs Yaris VVT-i which is variable valve timing.
(this is Fords version of VVT-i and means more fine tuning unobtainable with VVT-i
2 fully independent variable camshafts. can't do that in the Toyota. both
cams are in sync)


how is that hard to understand



also...

do not crap yourself when GM releases new cars with 45 mpg non-hybrid. the MPG ratings
of old are coming back, due to advances in catalyst technology GM just revealed. no longer will there be a need
to have as much unspent fuel fire the cat. they can now seriously reduce unburnt fuel and
keep emissions down. with current cat technology, you must have some unburnt fuel get wasted
to burn up in the cat or non-co2 (the toxic ones) emissions go through the roof. GM has new material that
cuts the need for unspent fuel way back, allowing more finite tuning of the cam and combustion process.

With all the fuel saving technology you'd think it get better mileage...? Right?

Either way 29/40 is the SFE, the super fuel saver. 29/36 is a stock yaris.

If there was SFE Yaris, I think it would surpass the Fiesta SFE.

The 29/40 is still pending EPA cert, says so on the site, even though it took me a minute to find where.

[127.0.0.1]

Originally Posted by slothman86

With all the fuel saving technology you'd think it get better mileage...? Right?

Either way 29/40 is the SFE, the super fuel saver. 29/36 is a stock yaris.

If there was SFE Yaris, I think it would surpass the Fiesta SFE.

The 29/40 is still pending EPA cert, says so on the site, even though it took me a minute to find where.

no, those are the official US Govt. EPA results as of May 17th, 2010

The EPA has finished calculating the fuel economy of the 2011 Ford Fiesta and, as the automaker projected, its new baby has hit 40 miles per gallon. The official numbers from the Feds are 29 mpg in the city and 40 mpg on the highway for Fiestas with the new 6-speed dual clutch Powershift gearbox.

it has (as all ULEV and SULEV cars have) DFCO but with a more aggressive map


it is still a POS Ford though. I am seeing Yaris's all over the place lately (I95/128/rt3 belt, Ma)
so I know it won't hurt Yaris sales much in my area. peeps know Fords are hunks-o-iron.

[slothman86]

Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1

no, those are the official US Govt. EPA results as of May 17th, 2010

The EPA has finished calculating the fuel economy of the 2011 Ford Fiesta and, as the automaker projected, its new baby has hit 40 miles per gallon. The official numbers from the Feds are 29 mpg in the city and 40 mpg on the highway for Fiestas with the new 6-speed dual clutch Powershift gearbox.

it has (as all ULEV and SULEV cars have) DFCO but with a more aggressive map


it is still a POS Ford though. I am seeing Yaris's all over the place lately (I95/128/rt3 belt, Ma)
so I know it won't hurt Yaris sales much in my area. peeps know Fords are hunks-o-iron.

It's not on the fuel economy site? Where'd you get that info?

[Yaris Hilton]

VVT-i, though it's called "variable valve timing," is actually a camshaft phase adjusting system. It is "variable cam timing." Difference in name only. Toyota has some engines with it on both camshafts, but the 1NZ-FE only has it on the intake where it matters most.

[bkrownd]

Originally Posted by 127.0.0.1

peeps know Fords are hunks-o-iron.

If Ford rents a bunch of TV time to show the funny segment from Top Gear where they race the Fiesta against the Corvette inside a shopping mall the sales would go berzerk.

[bronsin]

All this stuff will mean little unless the car weights something like 2000 pounds.

[Hershey]

these will put a dent in the sale of YARII . Sales are down already . Seems like used YARII are outselling new ones .

[Kal-El]

The Fiesta is going to be a big hit, maybe even the new #1 sub-compact in America. It already has been in Europe. It will definitely eclipse the current Yaris in sales. We'll have to wait for the next Yaris and see how well it competes.

Ford has made a remarkable turnaround. Can't ignore them anymore!

[UTVitz]

It looked kind of spunky at the car show-a ton better looking than the original two door hatch Focus. However, this is still a Ford product and almost every new car they introduce is plagued with problems-every "world" car has been introduced with much fan fare only to watch the problems shoot it down-so I am not paying much attention to this "party". I'll be curious to see what owners report as actual mileage on sites like fuelly. I've been very surprised at peoples reporting on that site. I just topped up yesterday and was almost getting 46mpg.

[jamal1984]

wish i have a little more moneys, then i will buy a fiesta and compare it to my yaris and let's you guys know :) hahahhahaha

[Zaphod]

Competition is good for the consumers and it's great to see a shift in demand for more fuel efficient vehicles. Heck, I almost couldn't believe my eyes, but I've been noticing more Yarii in the St. Louis area lately, which is the best advertisement really.

I'm excited about the Fiesta's availability in the US and I really do hope it does well

[bronsin]

Car weighs 2600 pounds. Hecho en Mexico.

[mick.wheelz]

a little compro of AUDM Models


Ford Fiesta ECOnetic (5 Door Hatch)

1.6lt Common Rail Turbo Diesel + DPF
66kw @ 4000rpm, 200nm @ 1750rpm

5spd Manual Trans.

3.7lt/100km Combined (ADR independent testing)

Toyota Yaris YR (5 Door Hatch)

1.3lt MPI Petrol + VVTi
63kw @ 6000rpm, 121nm @ 4000rpm

5spd Manual Trans.

6.5lt/100km Combined (ADR independent testing)


Toyota Yaris YRX (3 Door Hatch)

1.5lt MPI Petrol + VVTi
80kw @ 6000rpm, 141nm @ 4200rpm

5spd Manual Trans.

6.7lt/100km Combined (ADR independent testing)




As you can see from above, the fiesta gets its fuel economy from having a fairly advanced turbo diesel engine... while it does not make a lot of power would beat a 1.3lt yaris hands down for daily driveability

That said, if we look at the UK spec Yaris Diesel things are a LOT closer

Toyota Yaris TR Diesel (5 Door Hatch)

1.4lt Direct Injection Turbo Diesel
66kw @ 3800rpm, 205nm @ 1600rpm

6spd Manual Trans.

4.1l/100km Combined.

Toyota should simply take the diesel to other parts of the world in order to compete with the ford :)

[atomsareenough]

Yeah, but they're not selling the diesel Fiesta in the US. Those numbers (29/40) are for the normal gasoline version.