Yaris' Auto-X #1 RIVAL???

[forpinks]

I'd like to know this since I'm buying a Yar for Auto-X"ing" and like to know which cars are its rivals and if possible what is the worse car I want to see at the Yaris' class when I'm auto crossing?

Is the EG6 in that list and AE92 on that list?


Thanks peeps!

[forpinks]

C'mon any tips on which car I should be aware of when Auto crossing?

[WRBlue]

What class?

In HS, Mini Cooper totally destroys the class. Although if you ever run across a stock Lotus Cortina, it would kill everything in HS too.

In STS, EF Civic Si is the fastest car. Since the class started in 01, 10 out of the 12 national champs have been 88-89 hatches.

[forpinks]

Originally Posted by WRBlue

What class?

In HS, Mini Cooper totally destroys the class. Although if you ever run across a stock Lotus Cortina, it would kill everything in HS too.

In STS, EF Civic Si is the fastest car. Since the class started in 01, 10 out of the 12 national champs have been 88-89 hatches.

The class that a base Yaris with a few handling mods and 4pt harnesses... (I'm getting a Yaris to train in Auto-X.

Is the Mini Cooper and Miata better in handling than the Yaris?

[paradigm]

Yes. Keep in mind the yaris is still, all in all, designed as an econ car. The miata would dominate it.

[kurokoma-kun]

Doesn't Miata belong in different class? The SCCA has a lot of info on their website but I am too lazy to look up I think unmodifed goes in CS or ES depending on year. In my area several guys run modifieds in CSP or STS2.

[WRBlue]

Originally Posted by kurokoma-kun

Doesn't Miata belong in different class? The SCCA has a lot of info on their website but I am too lazy to look up I think unmodifed goes in CS or ES depending on year. In my area several guys run modifieds in CSP or STS2.

Yes, yes, yes, and yes ;)
1.8L Miatas rule CS
1.6L Miatas have their hands full with MR2s in ES. My old 280ZX was in E Stock too.
Locally, the CSP Miatas are almost the FTD cars. Well they are the FTD CARS ;) Thoes F125 karts beat them though.
2 out of the 3 STS2 national Champs have been Miatas.

A Yaris doesn't compete directly with a Miata in any class unless they go crazy and you go crazy and meet in A, D, or E Mod. In A mod, any car based vehicle will get destroyed. In D mod, EVERY champion since 1984 has been Lotus based (7, Elan, or Europa).

Basically, because the Yaris is classed in H Stock, the SCCA believes every car in Super Stock, A, B, C, D, E, F, and G stock will be faster.

But saying that, any car can be competitive in its class locally. IMHO the Yaris should be a good autox car because of the tiny wheelbase. The COG hurts it though. Like any car, if your new to autox its a good learning tool.

[mojoyaris]

I run my car in STS and have a friendly rivalry with some of the other drivers in my class. I don't really have any competition with the G and H stock class and I out ran the 911, Audi TT and Subaru Impreza wagon. My competition I find in STS are the Civics and the Acura's. It also depends on the track layout so I prefer the track layout that is tight. I run with 215 x 45 x 16 in tires on Falken 615's which I use as a track tire only. My street rubbers are 17 inchers.

With the big brake kit, I'll be in STX according to CACC rules (Canada, but they're all the same, pretty much). Believe it or not there's alot less competition there! I have a 07 GTI to worry about there and he's got HP to go.

It does come down to the driver. Driving fast is one thing but knowing when to brake, when to turn and how to take your line are all important factors.

You won't beat a Miata or Lotus that's for sure.

Just don't brake while your are turning and learn to adjust your tire pressures to balance out your car and you won't really need to worry about all those addons like roll bars. R comps are nice too or just a set of Falken 615's.

[HTM Yaris]

http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/Dragon-t77836.html

[cali yaris]

good comments, and I do look forward to seeing what the Yaris can do on the track. I was at a Time Attack event and the Kaminari Yaris did ok. As noted, fast in the turns, slow on the straights -- nothing a little boost can't fix.

[WRBlue]

And that has nothing to do with this thread. autox != track

[WRBlue]

I think the NF's are better than stock, but not nearly as good as the TRD springs. They just aren't as stiff = more body roll = not as big of contact patch on the tires in corners = tire spin = slower.

BTW - I keep thinking your name is Tachikoma :D

[kurokoma-kun]

Originally Posted by WRBlue

I think the NF's are better than stock, but not nearly as good as the TRD springs. They just aren't as stiff = more body roll = not as big of contact patch on the tires in corners = tire spin = slower.

Thanks for info, WR. I guess TRD it is! This was actually my first choice anyway, then I (almost) got caught up in the fashion aspect over form/function <glup>

Me and a friend took our cars out last night to run up and down best mountain road nearby and I noticed something bizarre about that body roll--if you go in really reeallly tight on a corner, it actually starts to lean in! Too bad they paved recently--no more gutter run for me!

[Russelt3hPirate]

You can't change springs in stock class.

if you want to run Street Prepared, you'll be in FSP.

on a local level you should be able to compete in FSP with some nice meats (r-comps), good suspension and harness.

[Russelt3hPirate]

what pedal?

and why would you be with WRXs that are in STX?

and the springs would throw that car in an FSP due to the r-comps.

[bearda]

Originally Posted by Russelt3hPirate

what pedal?

and why would you be with WRXs that are in STX?

and the springs would throw that car in an FSP due to the r-comps.

Sorry, I meant pedals.

And on second thought you're right, it looks like I would have been bumped to STS while the WRX starts in STX. I was talking it over with a friend who autocrosses regularly; maybe he got confused between STS and STX, or the WRX and the base Impreza.

In any event, STS still sounds like a scary class to compete against just because of a pedal kit...

[cc700]

sts is wrx, stx is sti.

the yaris is definitely the cheapest car that has potential, but i'd place it at the back of the pack, even for h stock. i'm biased though because to me winning isn't important, competing for your own enjoyment and bettering your technique is. i don't care what cars are faster than me.

[kurokoma-kun]

Originally Posted by cc700

competing for your own enjoyment and bettering your technique is

What a great attitude, I wish all my sports opponents had felt that way.