Car and Driver Comparo

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Here is a Car and Driver comparison of the various subcompacts. some of these are a joke from the economy point of view, real world average of 28 MPG from a subcompact is criminal. My RSX-S type gets that and better and is pushing 200+HP.

So the highlights are the Yaris get the best mileage at an observer 36 MPG over 1000 Miles. Does surprisingly well in braking and skidpad, and they love the shifter.
And answers the question on every young boys mind
Q:"What'll she do Mister?"
A: why she so fast they have to limit the it to 113 MPH, or you would have to have a pilots license to drive it

Hmmm <Mutter mutter> looks like I can't post the .pdf. hang on while I find the link....

<sounds of rifling through messy closet>

Okay back with the link.

Sorry about where I got it from (Honda) but the Fit did win pretty solidly in C&D's mind, but then again C&D tested the sedan not the Yaris LB, and they said the Styling of the Fit was good while I think a barf bag should be included with every purchase.

http://automobiles.honda.com/images/...141_eprint.pdf

[Goose]

Here ya go...

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...ap-skates.html

EDIT: sorry, not needed - my computer didn't show your updated post.

[riceboy]

I know its a sedan in the comparison, but who would have thought that the Fit would have a better 1/4 mile. I think the reason they left out the Yaris is because it's only available in a 3-door liftback version, as opposed to the 5-door that you get everywhere else in the world. I guess Toyota would prefer to let the Scion xA and xB look after the 5-door demographic. Anyways I think that if that comparison was done with the 5-door RS aka apples to apples comparison that it would have come up on top. But hey kudos to the Fit for being tops in the category eventhough its an older platform vehicle!

[corey415]

Originally Posted by riceboy

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Anyways I think that if that comparison was done with the 5-door RS aka apples to apples comparison that it would have come up on top.
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Out of curiosity, why so? Does the 5-door RS offer a better suspension and handling? Better braking? Is it faster?

The C&D review focused mainly on driving dynamics, not on form factor.

[riceboy]

I believe that the setup of the liftback is quite different from that of the sedan. From my understanding it's also a bit lighter, which would make a difference in all areas of performance. Perhaps this is a difference found only in Canadian spec Yaris and Fit???

[corey415]

From I just researched, the Toyota Yaris 5 dr 5MT RS weighs 2335 lbs. The Toyota Yaris 4 dr sedan in the C&D articles weighed 2377 lbs. Thats only a 42 lb difference.

So again, why would it have performed better in that C&D comparison?

[riceboy]

Isn't the Fit a heavier car with the equivalent in hp and torque, if that's the case than wouldn't the Yaris being a lighter vehicle be able to outpace it in a 1/4 mile? that would already change up the numbers from the C&D comparison. With the difference in weight it could also potentially allow the car to stop faster, and although I'm not clear on specific specs, I'm not sure if they used a Yaris Sedan which would be equipped with ABS as in the majority of Canadian spec Yaris hb - the most basic model. The Yaris also has a longer wheelbase which would be better for handling as noted in comparisons against the previous gen echo hb.

In any case as stated before kudos to the Fit for taking top marks, but would there be a difference comparing it to the Yaris lb? who knows... we'll just have to wait and see.. I'm sure a mag or some fit & yaris owners will put something together!

[why?]

Yes there would be a difference, but who knows how much of one.

[corey415]

Originally Posted by riceboy

Isn't the Fit a heavier car with the equivalent in hp and torque, if that's the case than wouldn't the Yaris being a lighter vehicle be able to outpace it in a 1/4 mile? that would already change up the numbers from the C&D comparison.

The engine figures are similar, but not exact. The Honda Fit has a peak hp figure of 109hp whereas the Yaris has 106hp. Fit has 105 ft/lbs; Yaris has 103 ft/lbs. Also, there is more to acceleration than just power/weight ratios. While it is a good first order estimator, other things like gearing ratios, tire traction, aerodynamics, and drivetrain efficiency can affect acceleration time.

Originally Posted by riceboy

With the difference in weight it could also potentially allow the car to stop faster, and although I'm not clear on specific specs, I'm not sure if they used a Yaris Sedan which would be equipped with ABS as in the majority of Canadian spec Yaris hb - the most basic model. The Yaris also has a longer wheelbase which would be better for handling as noted in comparisons against the previous gen echo hb.

The Yaris S Sedan that C&D tested has ABS. Regardless, ABS isnt designed to reduce stopping distance; its purpose is to allow the driver to steer under heavy braking. I still dont think the 42 lbs difference or slightly longer wheelbase would have made a significant difference.

Originally Posted by riceboy

In any case as stated before kudos to the Fit for taking top marks, but would there be a difference comparing it to the Yaris lb? who knows... we'll just have to wait and see.. I'm sure a mag or some fit & yaris owners will put something together!

I saw that; but at the same time you said this....

Originally Posted by riceboy

Anyways I think that if that comparison was done with the 5-door RS aka apples to apples comparison that it would have come up on top.

I have nothing wrong with that statement, but you dont have any evidence that shows this would be true.

[Idjiit]

Originally Posted by corey415

The engine figures are similar, but not exact. The Honda Fit has a peak hp figure of 109hp whereas the Yaris has 106hp. Fit has 105 ft/lbs; Yaris has 103 ft/lbs. Also, there is more to acceleration than just power/weight ratios. While it is a good first order estimator, other things like gearing ratios, tire traction, aerodynamics, and drivetrain efficiency can affect acceleration time.

Don't forget tires. My LB is peppy enough to get some good wheelspin in there. I'm wondering if a bigger contact patch would actually improve acceleration.

[corey415]

Originally Posted by Idjiit

Don't forget tires. My LB is peppy enough to get some good wheelspin in there. I'm wondering if a bigger contact patch would actually improve acceleration.

I didn't forget tires. That's why I said "tire traction".

[Idjiit]

D'oh, my bad.

[Thirty-Nine]

I still think they should've left out the Accent and the Yaris, and put in the xA. I think it's a closer match to the rest of the lineup.

[riceboy]

What I meant is that it would be nice to see them compared as both are hb's, you're right about the numbers not making a huge difference, however in Canada the hp and torque numbers are even... again no big deal.. but as a final word let's just say that I'd love to see them do a 1 to 1 comparison..

[benfal2001]

Originally Posted by riceboy

I know its a sedan in the comparison, but who would have thought that the Fit would have a better 1/4 mile. I think the reason they left out the Yaris is because it's only available in a 3-door liftback version, as opposed to the 5-door that you get everywhere else in the world. I guess Toyota would prefer to let the Scion xA and xB look after the 5-door demographic. Anyways I think that if that comparison was done with the 5-door RS aka apples to apples comparison that it would have come up on top. But hey kudos to the Fit for being tops in the category eventhough its an older platform vehicle!

Older and so quality proven! nice hatch back!
The yaris lacks so space.

[why?]

Take your pos car and get out of here, will you. No one cares what you think. The temper tantrum is one of the ugliest and most overpriced cars on the market.

[Andrew Chalmers]

Originally Posted by why?

Take your pos car and get out of here, will you. No one cares what you think. The temper tantrum is one of the ugliest and most overpriced cars on the market.

There's really not need to put someone else's vehicle down to justify your purchase. You included. Honda Fit and Toyota Yaris are both good vehicles that I've both seriously considered and there's really no need to be a fan boy about it.

[corey415]

Originally Posted by Andrew Chalmers

There's really not need to put someone else's vehicle down to justify your purchase. You included. Honda Fit and Toyota Yaris are both good vehicles that I've both seriously considered and there's really no need to be a fan boy about it.

I concur!

It's a great time to be in the market for a subcompact!