front upper struct bar - Toyota Yaris Forums

jonhy_ sm · 08-02-2011, 10:20 PM

hi guys, have any of u guys ever bought one of these?
is it good?
how does if feel in the car?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-...ries#vi-ilComp

regards

staticorex · 08-02-2011, 10:42 PM

I don't have that one but mine looks very similar. I like mine and many other people on the site swear by theirs. A strut brace is s nice addition to a Yaris but I'm wary of that price. Most good strut tower bars are 100-150 dollars. So I don't know how good this one will be.

I'm looking at the pic to see if I can see any weak parts. The only questionable part I see is the set of brackets connecting the flat part to the bar. They seem a bit thin.

ilikerice · 08-03-2011, 09:33 AM

front upper strut bars are not very functional on a FWD car like our yaris. You already have enough understeer from the factory as it is and FWD cars are already tight enough. I say this is more of a cosmetic bolt-on then a performance one. I would suggest if your looking for performance, go rear swaybars to stiffin the rear a bit.

ROCKLANDTOYOTA · 08-03-2011, 01:14 PM

IVE noticed a difference with my BEATRUSH front bar off the car BUT thats me!!

OP's question: id leave that ebay junk alone and get something BRAND NAME.....

ilikerice · 08-03-2011, 03:18 PM

yea, more understeer

j/k, to each thier own. Try it out, If it suits your driving style, keep it. If you dont like it, sell it.

I used a DC sports on my crx before i started autocross. Someone suggested taking it off to see if it would help my understeer. It did.. Not dramaticlly, but just a couple 1/10th of a second helps in any type of racing.. I see no real use for the front strut bar for performance gain.. just looks IMOP!

jonhy_ sm · 08-03-2011, 04:36 PM

will the front upper struct bar make the car feel less of a boat in the corners?

ROCKLANDTOYOTA · 08-03-2011, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonhy_ sm

will the front upper struct bar make the car feel less of a boat in the corners?

according to the post#3 NO.....

jonhy_ sm · 08-03-2011, 10:28 PM

so, what you are saying, in order to reduce chassis flex while cornering, i should install a rear sway bar( under the car) instead of a upper struct bar in the front?
isn't almost all the weight of the car in the front because of the engine?
regards

ilikerice · 08-04-2011, 03:20 PM

yes. thats what causes that "turning light a boat" feel. All the weight is up front and your front tires are whats pulling the car. Your back suspension stock is loose that causes your car to shift its weight to the outside front tire when turning. By stiffing your rear sway bar (or lack thier of) you force that outside rear tire to push off the ground, keeping more weight leveled thru the car.. Sway bars are really pushing the strut but I say tire cuz its better to understand that your tires are the thing thats hold you on the road. either way.. Someone can explain it better then me. I've come across many threads on this topic under different topics

In the Track/autocross threads they go in more detail about the geometry of it. Tamago has a good write up on this. I cant find it though. Also talk to Jason@scca, check his thread posts, he has a lot of expericence and knowledge on making your car track worthy.

jonhy_ sm · 08-04-2011, 06:04 PM

so..in order to improve cornering, you would advise a rear sway bar ? is tihis under ther or in the boot?

ilikerice · 08-04-2011, 06:20 PM

Under the car, connects to the lower strut on each side

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/sho...light=23mm+bar

cali yaris · 08-04-2011, 07:15 PM

^ rear trailing arms, actually

Lil Abner · 08-04-2011, 07:30 PM

I recommend the rear sway bar like everyone else. Then you can add the front strut bar. But the rear sway will give you the BEST bang for your buck. And MicroImage has the best ones!

why? · 08-05-2011, 12:33 AM

rear sway bar is great, so is a better suspension.

bzinn 1 · 08-05-2011, 12:56 AM

rear sway,23mm is incredable....car actually feels tight now and it aims better in corners now too.

ilikerice · 08-05-2011, 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cali yaris

^ rear trailing arms, actually

Thanks for the correction

advocate · 08-10-2011, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROCKLANDTOYOTA

OP's question: id leave that ebay junk alone and get something BRAND NAME.....

+1

08-02-2011, 10:20 PM	#1
jonhy_ sm Drives: Yaris '07 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Portugal Posts: 36	front upper struct bar hi guys, have any of u guys ever bought one of these? is it good? how does if feel in the car? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-...ries#vi-ilComp regards

08-02-2011, 10:42 PM	#2
staticorex View User's Garage Drives: Sc'd Yaris Sedan. Join Date: May 2007 Location: civilwar town. Posts: 660	I don't have that one but mine looks very similar. I like mine and many other people on the site swear by theirs. A strut brace is s nice addition to a Yaris but I'm wary of that price. Most good strut tower bars are 100-150 dollars. So I don't know how good this one will be. I'm looking at the pic to see if I can see any weak parts. The only questionable part I see is the set of brackets connecting the flat part to the bar. They seem a bit thin. __________________ Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.

08-03-2011, 01:14 PM	#4
ROCKLANDTOYOTA JOE GIRTH Drives: YARIS 3DOOR Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: ROCKLAND TOYOTA/SCION Posts: 369	IVE noticed a difference with my BEATRUSH front bar off the car BUT thats me!! OP's question: id leave that ebay junk alone and get something BRAND NAME..... __________________ http://www.carid.com/toyota-accessories/ site has a FEW interesting yaris items.....

08-03-2011, 03:18 PM	#5
ilikerice Drives: 2010 black yaris Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: savannah, ga Posts: 2,868	yea, more understeer j/k, to each thier own. Try it out, If it suits your driving style, keep it. If you dont like it, sell it. I used a DC sports on my crx before i started autocross. Someone suggested taking it off to see if it would help my understeer. It did.. Not dramaticlly, but just a couple 1/10th of a second helps in any type of racing.. I see no real use for the front strut bar for performance gain.. just looks IMOP! Last edited by ilikerice; 08-03-2011 at 05:35 PM.

08-04-2011, 07:15 PM	#12
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	^ rear trailing arms, actually __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

08-03-2011, 09:33 AM	#3
ilikerice Drives: 2010 black yaris Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: savannah, ga Posts: 2,868	front upper strut bars are not very functional on a FWD car like our yaris. You already have enough understeer from the factory as it is and FWD cars are already tight enough. I say this is more of a cosmetic bolt-on then a performance one. I would suggest if your looking for performance, go rear swaybars to stiffin the rear a bit.

08-03-2011, 04:36 PM	#6
jonhy_ sm Drives: Yaris '07 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Portugal Posts: 36	will the front upper struct bar make the car feel less of a boat in the corners?

08-03-2011, 10:28 PM	#8
jonhy_ sm Drives: Yaris '07 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Portugal Posts: 36	so, what you are saying, in order to reduce chassis flex while cornering, i should install a rear sway bar( under the car) instead of a upper struct bar in the front? isn't almost all the weight of the car in the front because of the engine? regards

08-04-2011, 03:20 PM	#9
ilikerice Drives: 2010 black yaris Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: savannah, ga Posts: 2,868	yes. thats what causes that "turning light a boat" feel. All the weight is up front and your front tires are whats pulling the car. Your back suspension stock is loose that causes your car to shift its weight to the outside front tire when turning. By stiffing your rear sway bar (or lack thier of) you force that outside rear tire to push off the ground, keeping more weight leveled thru the car.. Sway bars are really pushing the strut but I say tire cuz its better to understand that your tires are the thing thats hold you on the road. either way.. Someone can explain it better then me. I've come across many threads on this topic under different topics In the Track/autocross threads they go in more detail about the geometry of it. Tamago has a good write up on this. I cant find it though. Also talk to Jason@scca, check his thread posts, he has a lot of expericence and knowledge on making your car track worthy.

08-04-2011, 06:04 PM	#10
jonhy_ sm Drives: Yaris '07 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Portugal Posts: 36	so..in order to improve cornering, you would advise a rear sway bar ? is tihis under ther or in the boot?

08-04-2011, 06:20 PM	#11
ilikerice Drives: 2010 black yaris Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: savannah, ga Posts: 2,868	Under the car, connects to the lower strut on each side http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/sho...light=23mm+bar

08-04-2011, 07:30 PM	#13
Lil Abner Drives: 2009 3dr LB Manual Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Dublin, Ohio Posts: 412	I recommend the rear sway bar like everyone else. Then you can add the front strut bar. But the rear sway will give you the BEST bang for your buck. And MicroImage has the best ones!

08-05-2011, 12:33 AM	#14
why? Only Happy When it Rains View User's Garage Drives: Yaris LB Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: harnett county NC Posts: 4,097	rear sway bar is great, so is a better suspension. __________________ Colin Chapman disciple

08-05-2011, 12:56 AM	#15
bzinn 1 Drives: 2008 Yaris HB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: University Place,WA Posts: 828	rear sway,23mm is incredable....car actually feels tight now and it aims better in corners now too.

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