Muscle Building

[TEHxFALLEN V1.2]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

Yeah, my metabolism is so friggin' fast! I'll feel sore/tight, but it'll go away after a resting period. I'm benching 140lbs at the max right now...kinda low

You think that's low.. I've been benching 100lbs for almost a year now.... I think I have problems.. lol
Thanks for starting this thread KL, I'll be looking at this!

[fnkngrv]

One thing that you need to make sure of K is that you don't take breaks, as in a week here or there. Your body needs to keep a minimum muscle memory otherwise you will always plateau and not reach your true potential. Case in point. I began working out again when I got here to Afghanistan. I weighed in at 248 when I arrived in October and was benching a measly 45lb bar with a pair of 25s (95lbs) at 3 sets of 10 reps...terrible! I have also not weight trained for 8 years. After the first 2 months I was up to the 45lb bar with a pair of 45s and 25s (185lbs) 4 sets of 20 reps. When I got promoted at the end of the 2 months and moved from Sharana to Bagram I began to travel a lot due to the job requirements. My workout routine became more sporadic and since I was not on a regualr schedule my performance as well as building capabilities have changed drastically. I am still working out whenever I can, but I am hovering at the 45lb bar with the pair of 45s (135lbs) right now at 3 sets of 15-20 reps. I can occasionally throw up the 185 again, but not as consistent as when having a regular program. I weighed in 2 weeks ago which was my 5 month mark and I had dropped down to 230 with much larger muscles and a noticeable better mod section. This is great for me because my goal is to be around 220, but solid with decent definition, but I know for a fact that if I had been able to stay at the regular training intervals I would have much better results. The biggest hurdle to overcome is the mental aspect. When I was a teenager and then in college I was a string bean. I would work out like mad, but always never gained in mass. I beat myself up about it all the time. When I joined the military at the age of 21 I was 6' 2" and weighted in at 145! Through basic and AIT for the Army I bumped up to 180 in the 5 months becoming pretty solid. Sure the military changed my diet, but not by much. I truly think that the biggest thing was the mental aspects. Having people to work out with and to keep you mentally motivated is a big key I think that many miss out on. It is the simple philosophy of mind over matter. Just like those last 3 reps that you swear you can't do, but you push through them (even if sometimes your buddy gives you a small finger lift at the top of the rep). Those last few reps each set are critical as well. That is when you feel the most burn. You need to tear your muscles (in a good way without over extending yourself) so that the tissue can fill in the torn gaps during recovery. What someone said earlier is true about protein...your body can only process roughly 30mg of it per day. I would stay away from the sports bars/snacks that only provide around 7-10mg per serving after your workouts because your body will just process it as normal intake and not actually use it for muscle recovery and growth. Skinless chicken as mentioned as well is an excellent way to go. Eat lots of it. Do not eat less than 3 hours before bed and if you workout late in the evening eat an apple or two after your workout rather than taking a supplement or shake. When your body is close to static recovery, AKA sleeping, your body will turn those supplements into insulin which will be counter productive to what you are trying to accomplish, hence the apples...it provides simple, natural sugars and carbs to jump start the processes you need for growth during your sleep intervals. The last thing I will share is that supplement stacks are all different for different people, lifestyles, and metabolisms. It takes a lot of research as well as trial/error to find what fits your biological make up.

[SeaYa]

Kaotic,

Browsing through some of your questions....

-do muscles really take that long to heal/recover...at least 36 hours with proper nutrition and hydration.

-you mentioned wanting to slow your metabolism at one point... you don't want that. More muscles will burn more calories, so you just have to keep eating more, and more often. Don't leave out the fruits and veggies either (veggies have many of the essential amino acids that you need for protien synthesis).

-as for protien supplements...if you eat right, you really don't need them (yes, they may be easier than eating the right foods in the proper quantity at the right frequency) The body can only process so much protien into muscle in a given day, the rest it will convert to fat and store (see other's comments about so many grams of protien/lb body weight).

-also, +1 to fnkngrv for continual stress, just don't up the weight you are lifting too fast. Stay at one level of stress (# reps and weight) for at least 2 weeks before making a major addition. Also, give yourself at least one day off a week. You get stronger when you recover from lifting/exercising, not when you lift.

I've got some neat tools I use for diet / calorie balance that I use for my 5000m training, so you can PM me if you want the Excel files. Good luck man!

[Aothachos]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

Where can I get this pro-NOS? Your workout schedule is more like mine, although I do 3 sets of sit-ups with 30-second planks following each set. Yeah, I'm using the pooper more with the 30g of supplemental protein I'm getting already.

here is the exact link

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/...ntsource2=main

they are on sale 3 pounds for 36.99$

NOTE ** if you like chocolate the dutch chocolate is unbelievably soooooo gooood omg you will never have any chocolate protein shake like this one lol



ALSO I would order some glutamine. You only take one scoop or a teaspoon of that after every workout. What it does is help repair your muscles fast, better. So the next day you would not feel as sore as you would usually do. There is no problem in taking this, your body uses glutamine to repair your muscles so your giving your body the extra dosage it needs.


With creatine, I wouldn't take it to tell you the truth. Personally I wouldn't, in some cases people have good side effects and bad side effects. All it really does is put water in your muscles so your muscles seem more larger. When you flex, you can feel your muscles a little more squishy than hard due to the water in them. In some cases it can cause kidney stones. You will have more energy yes and feel also stronger. But I took it for a little bit and stopped after awhile, its a waste of money. So I only take my protein shake twice a day and glutamine after every workout, they have glutamine in powder form or pill form, i suggest the powder form, I feel it works a lot better.

[PETERPOOP]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

hahaha, I eat dinner waaaay late at night, near bed time. hahaha. Yeah, I lift as much as I can (while keeping good form), and do 8 reps and 3 sets. That's good, right?

I am talking more like 5 reps 5 sets. HEAVY!

[cali yaris]

Kaotic,
How many calories are you eating and how many of them are protein?
If you're not accounting for them, write it down for at least 3 days.

I went from 131 to 160, but it took a while.

[Aothachos]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

Kaotic,
How many calories are you eating and how many of them are protein?
If you're not accounting for them, write it down for at least 3 days.

I went from 131 to 160, but it took a while.

when you don't want to gain weight you gain it faster for some reason, and when you do, you don't gain any weight lol ive seen skinny people eat so much and they are like no matter how much i eat i don't even gain a pound.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Klinton

im a college student too chicken takes 3 minutes to make boss i learned that in the Army when thats all i ate you can get some skinless chicken and a stove top and there you go wal-mart man its like 5 bucks for 5 pound bag that and some vegs on the stove top some beard easy good meal!!!! good luck man

I keep seeing "stainless" when you guys say "skinless". lol. 3 minutes, eh? That's less time it takes me to go down the street to Subway. I'll most likely get some and experiment on flavoring. hehe.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by TEHxFALLEN V1.2

You think that's low.. I've been benching 100lbs for almost a year now.... I think I have problems.. lol
Thanks for starting this thread KL, I'll be looking at this!

Dude, I was stuck at 90-100, and my friend was like, try 150. So I tried it. Couldn't do it, and he told me to arch my back a little since that's what his trainer told him to do. Took a deep breath, exhaled while pushing, and I got it up. I did one set in 150, but no more. I finished another three sets with 140. Give it a try. That back thing really works, just don't arch it so much, might hurt your back. hahahaha.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by fnkngrv

One thing that you need to make sure of K is that you don't take breaks, as in a week here or there. Your body needs to keep a minimum muscle memory otherwise you will always plateau and not reach your true potential. Case in point. I began working out again when I got here to Afghanistan. I weighed in at 248 when I arrived in October and was benching a measly 45lb bar with a pair of 25s (95lbs) at 3 sets of 10 reps...terrible! I have also not weight trained for 8 years. After the first 2 months I was up to the 45lb bar with a pair of 45s and 25s (185lbs) 4 sets of 20 reps. When I got promoted at the end of the 2 months and moved from Sharana to Bagram I began to travel a lot due to the job requirements. My workout routine became more sporadic and since I was not on a regualr schedule my performance as well as building capabilities have changed drastically. I am still working out whenever I can, but I am hovering at the 45lb bar with the pair of 45s (135lbs) right now at 3 sets of 15-20 reps. I can occasionally throw up the 185 again, but not as consistent as when having a regular program. I weighed in 2 weeks ago which was my 5 month mark and I had dropped down to 230 with much larger muscles and a noticeable better mod section. This is great for me because my goal is to be around 220, but solid with decent definition, but I know for a fact that if I had been able to stay at the regular training intervals I would have much better results. The biggest hurdle to overcome is the mental aspect. When I was a teenager and then in college I was a string bean. I would work out like mad, but always never gained in mass. I beat myself up about it all the time. When I joined the military at the age of 21 I was 6' 2" and weighted in at 145! Through basic and AIT for the Army I bumped up to 180 in the 5 months becoming pretty solid. Sure the military changed my diet, but not by much. I truly think that the biggest thing was the mental aspects. Having people to work out with and to keep you mentally motivated is a big key I think that many miss out on. It is the simple philosophy of mind over matter. Just like those last 3 reps that you swear you can't do, but you push through them (even if sometimes your buddy gives you a small finger lift at the top of the rep). Those last few reps each set are critical as well. That is when you feel the most burn. You need to tear your muscles (in a good way without over extending yourself) so that the tissue can fill in the torn gaps during recovery. What someone said earlier is true about protein...your body can only process roughly 30mg of it per day. I would stay away from the sports bars/snacks that only provide around 7-10mg per serving after your workouts because your body will just process it as normal intake and not actually use it for muscle recovery and growth. Skinless chicken as mentioned as well is an excellent way to go. Eat lots of it. Do not eat less than 3 hours before bed and if you workout late in the evening eat an apple or two after your workout rather than taking a supplement or shake. When your body is close to static recovery, AKA sleeping, your body will turn those supplements into insulin which will be counter productive to what you are trying to accomplish, hence the apples...it provides simple, natural sugars and carbs to jump start the processes you need for growth during your sleep intervals. The last thing I will share is that supplement stacks are all different for different people, lifestyles, and metabolisms. It takes a lot of research as well as trial/error to find what fits your biological make up.

Thanks for the info. Most of the time, I work out alone, so no spotters Ah, good thing I changed my work out time to mid-day. No more week breaks for me. My workout prior to last week was extremely sporadic, mainly due to a heavier school load (school has to come first), but it's lightened up a bit, and I've been able to go everyday since then.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by SeaYa

Kaotic,

Browsing through some of your questions....

-do muscles really take that long to heal/recover...at least 36 hours with proper nutrition and hydration.

-you mentioned wanting to slow your metabolism at one point... you don't want that. More muscles will burn more calories, so you just have to keep eating more, and more often. Don't leave out the fruits and veggies either (veggies have many of the essential amino acids that you need for protien synthesis).

-as for protien supplements...if you eat right, you really don't need them (yes, they may be easier than eating the right foods in the proper quantity at the right frequency) The body can only process so much protien into muscle in a given day, the rest it will convert to fat and store (see other's comments about so many grams of protien/lb body weight).

-also, +1 to fnkngrv for continual stress, just don't up the weight you are lifting too fast. Stay at one level of stress (# reps and weight) for at least 2 weeks before making a major addition. Also, give yourself at least one day off a week. You get stronger when you recover from lifting/exercising, not when you lift.

I've got some neat tools I use for diet / calorie balance that I use for my 5000m training, so you can PM me if you want the Excel files. Good luck man!

I'll make Sundays my rest days. hahaha, I take my protein shakes in addition to my meals, so I'm really adding another meal rather than replacing them. Not really sure how those count as meal replacements, I'm still hungry after drinking one of them

I'll try to eat more fruits, but I'm slightly allergic. For example, I ate some watermelon in one of our camping trips (I knew I shouldn't have, but I couldn't resist ), and my lip really did explode. It was bleeding a swollen for a few days. The rest of the fruits will cause me to have swollen lips and itchy ears. I'm also lactose intolerant. Sucks big time.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Aothachos

here is the exact link

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/search/...ntsource2=main

they are on sale 3 pounds for 36.99$

NOTE ** if you like chocolate the dutch chocolate is unbelievably soooooo gooood omg you will never have any chocolate protein shake like this one lol



ALSO I would order some glutamine. You only take one scoop or a teaspoon of that after every workout. What it does is help repair your muscles fast, better. So the next day you would not feel as sore as you would usually do. There is no problem in taking this, your body uses glutamine to repair your muscles so your giving your body the extra dosage it needs.


With creatine, I wouldn't take it to tell you the truth. Personally I wouldn't, in some cases people have good side effects and bad side effects. All it really does is put water in your muscles so your muscles seem more larger. When you flex, you can feel your muscles a little more squishy than hard due to the water in them. In some cases it can cause kidney stones. You will have more energy yes and feel also stronger. But I took it for a little bit and stopped after awhile, its a waste of money. So I only take my protein shake twice a day and glutamine after every workout, they have glutamine in powder form or pill form, i suggest the powder form, I feel it works a lot better.

Thanks, I'm also thinking about Muscle Milk from the same site. Thanks for the tips, and I'll be staying AWAY from creatine after that kidney stone comment. hahahha.


I really do appreciate all the help guys.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by PETERPOOP

I am talking more like 5 reps 5 sets. HEAVY!

I'm pushing my max with my sets, but doing 8 still. hahahaha.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

Kaotic,
How many calories are you eating and how many of them are protein?
If you're not accounting for them, write it down for at least 3 days.

I went from 131 to 160, but it took a while.

hmmm, I'll have to go online and calculate the things I eat. I usually get the same things over and over again, and only change it up when I'm at my moms. I'll start a diet journal.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Aothachos

when you don't want to gain weight you gain it faster for some reason, and when you do, you don't gain any weight lol ive seen skinny people eat so much and they are like no matter how much i eat i don't even gain a pound.

THAT'S ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nemelek]

When I was in my early 20's I was 5 10 and weighed 135-140. I did everything I could to gain weight. Now I am 52 and weigh 185. I wish I could loose 20 pounds.

[Aothachos]

Originally Posted by nemelek

When I was in my early 20's I was 5 10 and weighed 135-140. I did everything I could to gain weight. Now I am 52 and weigh 185. I wish I could loose 20 pounds.

wow, i was 17 years old at 180lbs now im 18 years old at 205lbs.......i was healthy at 180lbs all of a sudden i started a new job at best buy, and down the road was taco bell, so i ate there every time i had a lunch break, that is where i gained my unhealthy 20lbs....it was horrible, that is when i started to workout again (always said once i reach 200lbs i will start to work out hardcore) and its paying off now

[White Yaris]

you can do it kaotic. When i was 18 and 6' i weight around 160. Then had gf, work, full time student and etc. gained 215 til this year 21 still 6' and started getting myself together 4 months ago. Now 190 but going up by little and little.

I dunno, if its good idea if i did this way drink protein shake and some whole wheat english muffin every morning. I just never bored out with that breakfast idea. Im curious on everyone else ideal breakfast?