gangster pulls gun on skateboarder; skateboarder disarms gunman and lays a beatdown.

[johnnypaseo]

Some nice elbows would also have been great when that skater dude was on full mount lol

[CtrlAltDefeat]

This strikes me as real... The way the guy with the gun won't let go of the the other guys shirt after the fight. I think blood would be hard to see in this video. Not to mention, it was blunt object strikes, where if the force was hard enough to draw blood, it would more then likely ooze slowly to the surface. I'm not an expert, but I find that people often expect real life events to be like the movies and TV.
E.G. Many people think blood always gushes; you can take many deep cuts and be able to fight, as long as no major organs are hit; gun blasts send people flying, and it's easy to shoot a person in the arm, or leg, or shoot the weapon out of their hand... Even if this was professionally done, it seems to lack the "theatrics" that are almost always detectable when a video is made for an audience... just imho

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by CtrlAltDefeat

This strikes me as real... The way the guy with the gun won't let go of the the other guys shirt after the fight. I think blood would be hard to see in this video. Not to mention, it was blunt object strikes, where if the force was hard enough to draw blood, it would more then likely ooze slowly to the surface. I'm not an expert, but I find that people often expect real life events to be like the movies and TV.
E.G. Many people think blood always gushes; you can take many deep cuts and be able to fight, as long as no major organs are hit; gun blasts send people flying, and it's easy to shoot a person in the arm, or leg, or shoot the weapon out of their hand... Even if this was professionally done, it seems to lack the "theatrics" that are almost always detectable when a video is made for an audience... just imho

Head wounds can bleed profusely. I smacked my face off a tile floor once and left a half cup of blood on the floor before I got it under control. Scalp wounds are almost as bad. Take a good look at those videos from Shia majority countries that celebrate an "atonement day" by lacerating their own heads. The bleeding is horrific.

Being hit on the head with the metallic wheels and fasteners of a skateboard should have opened that kid's head up. Maybe he lucked out?

I noted that the Skaters did not kick our hero in the spine, kidneys, abdomen, did not stomp on his head nor kick his head. Most of the punches were to the face and head. Maybe they did not hit him properly, but this lack of diligent hurting is one of the things that made me go "Hmmmm".

This video could be real I just note some things that "don't make sense to me". I was not there.

Gene

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by johnnypaseo

Some nice elbows would also have been great when that skater dude was on full mount lol

Yeah, you could do that and it would have been satisfying. Except that only twenty five percent of your hitting power comes from your arms. Most of it comes from your legs and abdomen.

I'd have kicked him in the head while my partner had him in mount. This kid threatened to kill my friend. Rules and fair play go out the window at that point.

Gene

[PETERPOOP]

after watching the video again.......definately not fake. sorry gene.

[cali yaris]

Except that only twenty five percent of your hitting power comes from your arms.

right. so when you drop an elbow from above, backed by the weight of your upper torso, it does extreme damage.

Johnnypaseo is correct, and we both have training in this subject.

[PETERPOOP]

Ofcourse elbows would be great. I've watched YEARS of MMA and there is a reason elbows are banned from most MMA organizations besides UFC and a few others. It's because elbows cause extreme damage, EASILY creates cuts, and they stop fights. It is considered somewhat of a "cheap move" to do by using elbows to try and stop a fight (too much bleeding) due to doctor's stoppage in MMA. David Loiseau was especially know for his elbows and how he uses them for doctor's stoppage. As of late, Kenny Florian is the new man using his elbows most affectively.

here's a video of some elbow damage...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1GBLnGRQ5Y

[AlexNet0]

too bad they didnt knock his ass out. Someone pulls a gun on me, and somehow they lost control of the weapon, im not stopping till they arent moving anymore.

[kustom play]

yea i agree

you hear the gun go off but dont really see where its pointed, in that case to me its attempted murder and now have the right to end his life since mine was in danger

they should of made sure he couldn't get up

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by PETERPOOP

after watching the video again.......definately not fake. sorry gene.

Since we were not there all we can do is debate evidence.... incidentally, a "consensus of opinion" does not constitute said evidence.

Gene

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by PETERPOOP

Ofcourse elbows would be great. I've watched YEARS of MMA and there is a reason elbows are banned from most MMA organizations besides UFC and a few others. It's because elbows cause extreme damage, EASILY creates cuts, and they stop fights. It is considered somewhat of a "cheap move" to do by using elbows to try and stop a fight (too much bleeding) due to doctor's stoppage in MMA. David Loiseau was especially know for his elbows and how he uses them for doctor's stoppage. As of late, Kenny Florian is the new man using his elbows most affectively.

here's a video of some elbow damage...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1GBLnGRQ5Y

It is these limitations that make MMA an art and not a combat style. I'm not speaking as some old sage because I'm not. I do know that when you're scrapping you use what you have in front of you.

I don't much care for the shit talking and disrespect that SOME of these folks show each other in SOME MMA leagues. You cannot hate your opponent, but you can love your art.

Much rather see MMA with respect and skills. I appreciate and applaud that, though I am too old and have medical issues which preclude me from competing. When I was younger I loved fighting because it was very liberating to me, provided that no major mayhem happened.

I nailed a guy a year and a half ago with an elbow. He had tweaked my knee as a joke so I let him have it on his right pec. Took the wind right out of his sails it did. I did NOT use the joint, I used the surface of the muscle just above the joint. I did not hit him hard but I am out of practice and my control is poor so I hit him harder than I wanted to do so.

Thanks for the video. Please note that he is using his abdominals and legs to help force his strikes.

Gene

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

right. so when you drop an elbow from above, backed by the weight of your upper torso, it does extreme damage.

Johnnypaseo is correct, and we both have training in this subject.

Many ways to a solution. My point is that a strike comes from the feet through the legs and into the upper body. The arm - irregardless of whether it's an elbow, a palm strike or a fist - just conveys this energy.

What on Earth did you train for that you'd use such a sacrifice move? You know what I mean by "sacrifice", don't you? I learned "sacrifice" throws where you pull someone over you and drive their heads into the pavement.

I've seen such "drop strikes", but only in Professional Wrestling. It's a "total commitment" move that relies upon the target holding still and not doing something nasty like sticking you on the way down or moving out of the way.

I'm not an expert but I don't see the utility of such a move in many cases. However if you'd like to elaborate I'd be happy to listen to you.

Gene

[PETERPOOP]

Originally Posted by GeneW

Many ways to a solution. My point is that a strike comes from the feet through the legs and into the upper body. The arm - irregardless of whether it's an elbow, a palm strike or a fist - just conveys this energy.

What on Earth did you train for that you'd use such a sacrifice move? You know what I mean by "sacrifice", don't you? I learned "sacrifice" throws where you pull someone over you and drive their heads into the pavement.

I've seen such "drop strikes", but only in Professional Wrestling. It's a "total commitment" move that relies upon the target holding still and not doing something nasty like sticking you on the way down or moving out of the way.

I'm not an expert but I don't see the utility of such a move in many cases. However if you'd like to elaborate I'd be happy to listen to you.

Gene

I will also not disagree with the power of kicks/stomps. Those were extremely efficient in the no longer existing MMA org, PRIDE ( earlier purchased by UFC). Stomps/head kicks were allowed in this organization and those rules can't even get approved in UFC. It is thought as to be too dangerous. PRIDE was held in Japan, and ironically, they didn't allow elbows.

Mauricio "Shogun" Rua is a prime example of a fighter that used "soccer kicks" in MMA for his advantage.

Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO7Cde9Is7g

Referring to your "drop strikes;" At the most recent ufc event (UFC 100), fighters Micheal Bisping and Dan henerson had a very entertaining fight. The fight resulted in a knock out, and with what I think would be considered a "drop strike." Brutal? Yes. However, the man who was knocked out is Micheal Bisping. He is an english man who was constantly trash talking team america and dan henderson. In the interview given immediately after the fight, Dan Henderson says that he does know when guys are knocked out. However, that last strike was to "shut him up for a little bit."

*Notice both of Dan's feet are off of the mat during his final strike.

Check it out.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-zvEGm64fg