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BailOut · 08-11-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dog

48.49 years, as if it makes any difference

Thanks for catching that! I fixed my post.

SailDesign · 08-11-2009, 10:19 PM

An interesting take on it, with more info.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=45351

TLyttle · 08-12-2009, 12:47 AM

25k was the number I heard for a battery. Today. Sure, time will change that, but still, 5-10k is a hell of a lump all at once. One buys gas $20 at a time; would anyone dump $20 into an account every time they charged their car? Sure....

I've been fighting with electric vehicles for 30+ years now. Batteries were always the problem, and remain so. If I could buy a hi-tec battery for the same price as lead-acid, I would have an EV now, right now, but that ain't the case. We have Chevron et al to blame for this with their grip on patents so that they can sell oil, no other reason...

ezhacker1 · 08-12-2009, 02:56 AM

there's a diminishing return with increasing MPG just like everything else.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/savemoney.shtml Plug in numbers and see for yourself, I can never see why anyone would buy a hybrid to "save" money, unless they have money and just want to save the planet.

TLyttle · 08-12-2009, 12:26 PM

Just save the planet? Now there's a noble quest for the ME generation...

Altitude · 08-12-2009, 02:33 PM

Despite all the naysayers - it's a good start isn't it?

Bailout - why purchase an extra wall charger? Aren't they portable enough to bring with?

ChinoCharles · 08-12-2009, 02:34 PM

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Despite all the naysayers - it's a good start isn't it?

Agreed

SailDesign · 08-12-2009, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Altitude

Despite all the naysayers - it's a good start isn't it?

Damned good start. But I wish the hype-machers would learn to underpromise and over-deliver. People are SO fecking fed up with being promised sh!t that doesn't exist. If they said 100mpg, it would be more believable, and people would less inclined to pooh-pooh it while looking elsewhere. As for the "0 carbon footprint", you have to be pretty dumb to believe that generating electricity isn't going to use some carbonn. Hell, even Nuke plant employees have to drive to work - there's some carbon for you already!
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BailOut · 08-12-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Altitude

Bailout - why purchase an extra wall charger? Aren't they portable enough to bring with?

No one knows for sure yet, but likely not. The EV1's charging station required hardwiring into your home's electrical system on a 240V line.

tuckevalastin · 08-12-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BailOut

No one knows for sure yet, but likely not. The EV1's charging station required hardwiring into your home's electrical system on a 240V line.

The 120V charger is portable and can just be plugged in... the 240V must be hardwired.

Mouse · 08-12-2009, 04:53 PM

The EPA is not backing GM's claim.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/11/e...-mpg-for-volt/

tuckevalastin · 08-12-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mouse

The EPA is not backing GM's claim.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/11/e...-mpg-for-volt/

GM used the EPA's method to come up with the number though. The EPA has yet to do the testing so they can't back the claim yet. If anything the EPA is realizing that their own testing method might be a very strange way to test electric cars.

47_MasoN_47 · 08-12-2009, 05:25 PM

The battery thing is what always gets me. Even if the battery was "only" 5k...I'd be more tempted to put that as a down payment on Volt 2.0 than throwing money at an old vehicle. Seems like a "disposable car" to me.

I also wonder how much of a bearing cold weather will have on the battery. Also I wonder how air conditioning, radio, heater, headlights, and other electronics will effect the battery. Seems like if you had the radio and air conditioner on it would cut that 40 miles the battery is supposed to last down a good bit. I could be wrong, but that's just my thinking.

tuckevalastin · 08-12-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 47_MasoN_47

The battery thing is what always gets me. Even if the battery was "only" 5k...I'd be more tempted to put that as a down payment on Volt 2.0 than throwing money at an old vehicle. Seems like a "disposable car" to me.

I also wonder how much of a bearing cold weather will have on the battery. Also I wonder how air conditioning, radio, heater, headlights, and other electronics will effect the battery. Seems like if you had the radio and air conditioner on it would cut that 40 miles the battery is supposed to last down a good bit. I could be wrong, but that's just my thinking.

The temperature won't be a problem because the gas motor will run long enough to get the battery at the proper running temperature before the battery begins being used when it's outside of optimal running temperatures.

I agree that if a battery lasted me even close to 10 years or 150,000 miles I would probably be more likely to trade it in on a new model than get a new battery. But then again I'd be more likely to trade any car in at 10 years 150,000 miles.

Mouse · 08-12-2009, 06:15 PM

One of the things that bothers me about the whole idea of charging batteries on a car is the same reason why I try not to charge my cell phone and other electronics on a daily basis. From my experience the more frequent you charge a battery the less juice the battery can hold. Charging your cell phone everyday kills your battery and thats why you're phone barely lasts you a day. It's the same concept for all batteries. I just dont see electricity powered through batteries as a solution for future transportation.

47_MasoN_47 · 08-12-2009, 06:29 PM

Not all types of batteries are susceptible to the "battery memory" problem. Nickel Cadmium batteries are much more likely to develop memory problems than Lithium Ion batteries. Most newer large electronics like laptops are using Lithium Ion, along with the nicer cell phones. Still though, you are correct that no battery runs at 100% forever. One of my 2005 laptops has a Lithium Ion battery and it is at 43% of maximum capacity when fully charged now :(

cali yaris · 08-12-2009, 07:02 PM

We have a 2005 Prius. We certainly did not buy it to save a ton of money, but it's a really nice car in its own right and it's our way of telling the auto industry which direction we think they should be heading. I would trade it in on a new one in a heartbeat, but have no reason to at this point. Have not had a single mechanical issue with the car.

08-12-2009, 02:56 AM	#22
ezhacker1 Drives: Decepticon - Ravage Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,464	there's a diminishing return with increasing MPG just like everything else. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/savemoney.shtml Plug in numbers and see for yourself, I can never see why anyone would buy a hybrid to "save" money, unless they have money and just want to save the planet. __________________ Check out my Build thread: http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52274

08-12-2009, 07:02 PM	#35
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	We have a 2005 Prius. We certainly did not buy it to save a ton of money, but it's a really nice car in its own right and it's our way of telling the auto industry which direction we think they should be heading. I would trade it in on a new one in a heartbeat, but have no reason to at this point. Have not had a single mechanical issue with the car. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

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08-11-2009, 10:19 PM	#20
SailDesign Drives: . Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: . Posts: 1,931	An interesting take on it, with more info. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/...entry_id=45351

08-12-2009, 12:47 AM	#21
TLyttle Drives: 07 Yaris sedan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Keremeos BC Posts: 986	25k was the number I heard for a battery. Today. Sure, time will change that, but still, 5-10k is a hell of a lump all at once. One buys gas $20 at a time; would anyone dump $20 into an account every time they charged their car? Sure.... I've been fighting with electric vehicles for 30+ years now. Batteries were always the problem, and remain so. If I could buy a hi-tec battery for the same price as lead-acid, I would have an EV now, right now, but that ain't the case. We have Chevron et al to blame for this with their grip on patents so that they can sell oil, no other reason...

08-12-2009, 12:26 PM	#23
TLyttle Drives: 07 Yaris sedan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Keremeos BC Posts: 986	Just save the planet? Now there's a noble quest for the ME generation...

08-12-2009, 02:33 PM	#24
Altitude Drives: '08 LB MT Bayou Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,671	Despite all the naysayers - it's a good start isn't it? Bailout - why purchase an extra wall charger? Aren't they portable enough to bring with?

08-12-2009, 04:53 PM	#29
Mouse Drives: 2007 MX5 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Miami, Fl. Posts: 338	The EPA is not backing GM's claim. http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/11/e...-mpg-for-volt/

08-12-2009, 05:25 PM	#31
47_MasoN_47 What I thought I'd do was View User's Garage Drives: 09 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Northwest Alabama Posts: 1,140	The battery thing is what always gets me. Even if the battery was "only" 5k...I'd be more tempted to put that as a down payment on Volt 2.0 than throwing money at an old vehicle. Seems like a "disposable car" to me. I also wonder how much of a bearing cold weather will have on the battery. Also I wonder how air conditioning, radio, heater, headlights, and other electronics will effect the battery. Seems like if you had the radio and air conditioner on it would cut that 40 miles the battery is supposed to last down a good bit. I could be wrong, but that's just my thinking.

08-12-2009, 06:15 PM	#33
Mouse Drives: 2007 MX5 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Miami, Fl. Posts: 338	One of the things that bothers me about the whole idea of charging batteries on a car is the same reason why I try not to charge my cell phone and other electronics on a daily basis. From my experience the more frequent you charge a battery the less juice the battery can hold. Charging your cell phone everyday kills your battery and thats why you're phone barely lasts you a day. It's the same concept for all batteries. I just dont see electricity powered through batteries as a solution for future transportation.

08-12-2009, 06:29 PM	#34
47_MasoN_47 What I thought I'd do was View User's Garage Drives: 09 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Northwest Alabama Posts: 1,140	Not all types of batteries are susceptible to the "battery memory" problem. Nickel Cadmium batteries are much more likely to develop memory problems than Lithium Ion batteries. Most newer large electronics like laptops are using Lithium Ion, along with the nicer cell phones. Still though, you are correct that no battery runs at 100% forever. One of my 2005 laptops has a Lithium Ion battery and it is at 43% of maximum capacity when fully charged now :(