Phantom Grip LSD - Toyota Yaris Forums

cdydjded · 02-12-2010, 04:18 PM

Im inquiering with Phantom Grip to see if they can produce a unit for the Yaris. I would like some feedback on the interest of this product. Please, if you have never used or installed this product personally, do not critisize it. I know it works, Iv used & installed it myself. It retails for $299. It is a good alternative for a Kaaz/TRD/Cuzco LSD unit which are in the $600-$700 price range. Here is there website if you want to learn more about it: http://www.phantomgrip.com/

90tsi · 02-12-2010, 07:03 PM

i had this in my 90 talon. it felt like more of a locker than an actually lsd to me. But for the money it is a great alternative. i would get another one for sure if i had the cash

cali yaris · 02-12-2010, 07:20 PM

good alternative for the money. They weren't going to make one for us when we contacted them over a year ago.

cdydjded · 02-12-2010, 09:08 PM

Spoke to the owner today, they have a unit already for the Yaris which also fits the xA/xB & Echo. Im making an apointment with them to get the Phantom Grip installed along with a Clutch Masters Stg 1 & possibly a flywheel. We are planning to take photos & videos of the installation. Also before & after results on the 1/4 mile.

cali yaris · 02-12-2010, 09:16 PM

How does it work?

RHDVIPbB · 02-12-2010, 09:37 PM

Over the years I have always wondered if this would work on an automatic transmission. If not, guess I will have to swap to manual.

90tsi · 02-12-2010, 09:38 PM

its not complicated at all kinda simple idea.. the 2 pieces have springs between which applies force outward to both side of the gears if i remember correct.

cdydjded · 02-12-2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RHDVIPbB

Over the years I have always wondered if this would work on an automatic transmission. If not, guess I will have to swap to manual.

The PG is install in between the spider gears of the differencial. All transmissions have a differencial, manuals & automatics. So yes it will work.......

PG Diff.jpg

cdydjded · 02-12-2010, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cali yaris

How does it work?

PG Diff.jpg

The PG locks the spider gears which in turn transfer traction to both tires instead of one.

cali yaris · 02-13-2010, 03:49 AM

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The PG locks the spider gears which in turn transfer traction to both tires instead of one.

Is this constant, or variable based on load?

90tsi · 02-13-2010, 03:50 AM

from what i felt in my last car it was a constant.

kngrsll · 02-13-2010, 04:27 PM

i have never heard a good thing about the phantom grip.

that being said, for that much work, why not install a REAL LSD. There are so many good cheap units on ebay, its ridiculous. i got a 2 way clutch LSD for under $500 from a toyota starlet turbo, this thing is awesome

bzinn 1 · 02-14-2010, 01:34 PM

PG is a constant and honestly by the time you take everything apart to install you may as well of installed the TRD unit which unless you are turning some serious power is not gonna break before the axles do.

There are a few guys that have put the PG in their xA/xB and ended up with it breaking.

d1nzfe · 02-16-2010, 12:29 PM

can we fit in a obx lsd for 4age ? its selling for <$300.

thebarber · 02-16-2010, 12:39 PM

i have a friend who's had a pg lsd in his matrix xrs for years now....and now he's supercharged....he's never had a problem with it.

only problem he's had is he eats thru tires.

you see, the PG "LSD" basically locks the differential so that both wheels turn at the same rate. great in a straight line, but obviously, when you turn the outside wheel is travelling farther than the inside wheel so the inside wheel will hop a bit, and thus wear out more quickly. he goes thru a pair of tires every season, iirc.

i don't think id recommend it for the yaris since its a car meant for the corners....

cali yaris · 02-16-2010, 02:52 PM

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i have never heard a good thing about the phantom grip.

I am reading about some failures on the internet. Some of these are probably because people didn't know what they were doing when they installed the unit. But some might be because the PG is just plain rough on the tranny.

kngrsll · 02-16-2010, 07:53 PM

I have no personal experience so i couldnt say one way or another. I know on the 240 forums, everyone hated them and they never had a good thing to say. Saying that, the 240 was extremely sensitive to an LSD. The S15 helical unit i installed transformed my car, it was soooo good after i installed it, so good in fact, that i oil starved my engine at an autox due to the increase in cornering speeds and grip :(

I think if you want a diff that just locks for drag racing, maybe this thing is fine. if you want it for going faster at autox or track days, id shy away from it. especially, for all that work and money, for a bit more, you can get a really great proven LSD on ebay.

thebarber · 01-31-2011, 11:22 PM

how is the pg lsd and your tires holding up?

02-12-2010, 04:18 PM	#1
cdydjded Drives: Yaris LB Turbo Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Miami FL Posts: 782	Phantom Grip LSD Im inquiering with Phantom Grip to see if they can produce a unit for the Yaris. I would like some feedback on the interest of this product. Please, if you have never used or installed this product personally, do not critisize it. I know it works, Iv used & installed it myself. It retails for $299. It is a good alternative for a Kaaz/TRD/Cuzco LSD unit which are in the $600-$700 price range. Here is there website if you want to learn more about it: http://www.phantomgrip.com/ Last edited by cdydjded; 02-12-2010 at 05:47 PM.

02-12-2010, 07:20 PM	#3
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	good alternative for the money. They weren't going to make one for us when we contacted them over a year ago. __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

02-12-2010, 09:16 PM	#5
cali yaris ULTIMATE View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris Turbo Join Date: May 2007 Location: Canoga Park, CA Posts: 14,859	How does it work? __________________ Micro Image forums, online store and shop are now closed. It was a great eight year run, but it was time to focus on other things. I'm still selling parts on eBay under micro*image seller ID and customers can still make requests for anything specific.

02-12-2010, 09:37 PM	#6
RHDVIPbB Right beside you, wave Drives: 08 PBM Yaris Sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 742	Over the years I have always wondered if this would work on an automatic transmission. If not, guess I will have to swap to manual. __________________ 2008 Toyota Yaris Sedan. Pacific Blue Mica. Custom vinyl eyebrows, color matched interior trim pieces, Vios lip spoiler, 17" Maas rims 2010 Scion xB 7.0 Release Series. 1535 of 2000. Murasaki. Stock with TRD springs.

02-13-2010, 04:27 PM	#12
kngrsll Apexing Egg!! Drives: 07 Toyota Yaris white hatch Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Spartanburg, SC Posts: 872	i have never heard a good thing about the phantom grip. that being said, for that much work, why not install a REAL LSD. There are so many good cheap units on ebay, its ridiculous. i got a 2 way clutch LSD for under $500 from a toyota starlet turbo, this thing is awesome __________________ HighTach Motorsports 2007 Toyota Yaris-ARGH!! Mods: Tokico HTS, 6.6 kg F, 6.1 kg R custom springs, 23 mm RSB, 2-way TRD LSD, 15x7 +25 Team Dynamic wheels, 195/55/15 Dunlop Star Specs, Cobra Suzuka S

02-12-2010, 07:03 PM	#2
90tsi View User's Garage Drives: 09 yaris Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: missouri Posts: 555	i had this in my 90 talon. it felt like more of a locker than an actually lsd to me. But for the money it is a great alternative. i would get another one for sure if i had the cash

02-12-2010, 09:08 PM	#4
cdydjded Drives: Yaris LB Turbo Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Miami FL Posts: 782	Spoke to the owner today, they have a unit already for the Yaris which also fits the xA/xB & Echo. Im making an apointment with them to get the Phantom Grip installed along with a Clutch Masters Stg 1 & possibly a flywheel. We are planning to take photos & videos of the installation. Also before & after results on the 1/4 mile.

02-12-2010, 09:38 PM	#7
90tsi View User's Garage Drives: 09 yaris Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: missouri Posts: 555	its not complicated at all kinda simple idea.. the 2 pieces have springs between which applies force outward to both side of the gears if i remember correct.

02-13-2010, 03:50 AM	#11
90tsi View User's Garage Drives: 09 yaris Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: missouri Posts: 555	from what i felt in my last car it was a constant.

02-14-2010, 01:34 PM	#13
bzinn 1 Drives: 2008 Yaris HB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: University Place,WA Posts: 828	PG is a constant and honestly by the time you take everything apart to install you may as well of installed the TRD unit which unless you are turning some serious power is not gonna break before the axles do. There are a few guys that have put the PG in their xA/xB and ended up with it breaking.

02-16-2010, 12:29 PM	#14
d1nzfe Drives: 1NZ-FE Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: asia Posts: 55	can we fit in a obx lsd for 4age ? its selling for <$300.

02-16-2010, 12:39 PM	#15
thebarber daily driver View User's Garage Drives: the #wrecho Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,877	i have a friend who's had a pg lsd in his matrix xrs for years now....and now he's supercharged....he's never had a problem with it. only problem he's had is he eats thru tires. you see, the PG "LSD" basically locks the differential so that both wheels turn at the same rate. great in a straight line, but obviously, when you turn the outside wheel is travelling farther than the inside wheel so the inside wheel will hop a bit, and thus wear out more quickly. he goes thru a pair of tires every season, iirc. i don't think id recommend it for the yaris since its a car meant for the corners.... __________________

02-16-2010, 07:53 PM	#17
kngrsll Apexing Egg!! Drives: 07 Toyota Yaris white hatch Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Spartanburg, SC Posts: 872	I have no personal experience so i couldnt say one way or another. I know on the 240 forums, everyone hated them and they never had a good thing to say. Saying that, the 240 was extremely sensitive to an LSD. The S15 helical unit i installed transformed my car, it was soooo good after i installed it, so good in fact, that i oil starved my engine at an autox due to the increase in cornering speeds and grip :( I think if you want a diff that just locks for drag racing, maybe this thing is fine. if you want it for going faster at autox or track days, id shy away from it. especially, for all that work and money, for a bit more, you can get a really great proven LSD on ebay. __________________ HighTach Motorsports 2007 Toyota Yaris-ARGH!! Mods: Tokico HTS, 6.6 kg F, 6.1 kg R custom springs, 23 mm RSB, 2-way TRD LSD, 15x7 +25 Team Dynamic wheels, 195/55/15 Dunlop Star Specs, Cobra Suzuka S

01-31-2011, 11:22 PM	#18
thebarber daily driver View User's Garage Drives: the #wrecho Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 5,877	how is the pg lsd and your tires holding up? __________________

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