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derickveliz2 · 10-07-2010, 08:31 AM

Thanks guys, Great and super important information, different opinions and points of view helps me and I hope others as well.

Personally if I had the economical power to buy what I would like to it would be a Stage 4 from Pioneer (including the little Lexus), but that's not the case I'm still unemployed so I rather go slow and think twice every move. That is the VALUE of threads like this where I'm learning and gaining knowledge as we go.

I wish I had a local access to a good car-audio shop and friends like you to listen to their systems. I have been looking around but looks like everything happens on the other side of the country.

Any way I'm glad to be in this forum and hear from all of you!

I have a plan:

- 4 channel Class AB amp to replace my old Premier 4 channel.
- Keep working on kickpanels and A-pillars for Mid-bass down on the floor and Mid-range + tweeters up high. (these will take me a lot of time, like every thing else jeje

)
- I'm going to be saving for another amp + subwoofer in the near future.

I know of a friend who has a very expensive woofer and one day he tested a smaller cheaper woofer, he really like it to the point that he was thinking about replacing his fancy woofer; maybe that is the way to go.

For now looks like I like sound quality and not a loud system... so bear with me and lets keep sharing our thoughts to all our Yaris-World community!

YEAH!!!!

Thanks again...
Derick.

derickveliz2 · 10-07-2010, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herbicidal

BTW, I took my 9 year old son out to Petsmart last night and a song came on the radio he liked so I turned it up a bit. He said "Dad! The music is surrounding me!" That comment made every last minute I've spent on the sound deadening, amp installs, speaker upgrades, cussing, swearing, etc, etc. and the $$$'s spent on my system totally worth it!

I know what you mean! +2

D.

sqcomp · 10-07-2010, 09:09 PM

Hey derick, eye candy for you...

http://pioneer.jp/carrozzeria/carrozzeria_x/

You think the stage 4 is the best Pioneer has? MWAHAHAHA! I'd go back to Iraq for a crack at this stuff...

derickveliz2 · 10-07-2010, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Hey derick, eye candy for you...

http://pioneer.jp/carrozzeria/carrozzeria_x/

You think the stage 4 is the best Pioneer has? MWAHAHAHA! I'd go back to Iraq for a crack at this stuff...

Love it!

Still would look much better with a Lexus in the background! jeje

derickveliz2 · 10-08-2010, 12:16 AM

Today my friend Eric who plays in a band for the Air Force (he plays the Bass), took a close look at my car, even though I'm only running 6.5 midbass drivers in the doors and the Bachuka in the trunk (I bump up the 6.5 drivers from 53Hz to 12.5KHz so I can listen to some music)...

He could not tell about the Bachuka in the trunk! he thought all the BASS was coming from the little 6.5 drivers. He was amazed of the sound! by muting the subwoofer was the only way he could tell the deep lower frequencies are coming from some where else. I explain him about the Mids and Tweeter not there jet yet.

I did explain him about front stage and sq vrs SPL, I guess he would be a good judge when it comes to sound quality once I get my system going. I told him it will take me a few more months, but he is very interested to hear it once the install is complete.

He drives a very nice Volvo and he really liked the ride of my Yaris, "feels very solid and quite! much better than my car" he said!

derickveliz2 · 10-08-2010, 12:21 AM

I posted this at DIYMA but nothing yet...

What's better for Front Stage regarding the location of the mids in the A-pillars:

to be as far apart from each other and a little closer to listeners? or

to be as far forward from listeners but a little closer together (distance between each speaker)?

sqcomp · 10-08-2010, 01:46 AM

This is where your imaging and soundstage width and depth will come into play.

I highly suggest taking some time to play with the aiming of your mids. Different axis positions and angles relative to you.

derickveliz2 · 10-08-2010, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

This is where your imaging and soundstage width and depth will come into play.

I highly suggest taking some time to play with the aiming of your mids. Different axis positions and angles relative to you.

I did play with them for a while, and I have a better idea how to aim them so they sound better for my taste (close to what Hertz recommends) aiming to opposite seat, like symmetrical, see image below) with the difference I'm going to install them on the A-pillars and not the doors

But for some reason a couple of inches further apart (in front the sail panels) creates a nice width (I am assuming this is how wide it feels, but far forward and a couple of inches closer was good too, better depth (I'm assuming deep and farther like standing in front but not too close) at a cost of less width, and since all this is new to me, I was wondering what was better? please tell me if I'm nuts or wrong, I'm just trying to decide where the 3" mids will go relative to the A-pillard.

I'm tending more to give a little bit of width by having the mids farther apart between them but not as far forward possible (closer to listeners) Then I'll let the tweeters be as far away to compensate depth. I'm sorry if I'm messing up what I'm trying to accomplish, or sounds confusing.
Million of thank you(s) for any input... BTW sqcomp remind Jim about my amp and rings please, I'll call him tomorrow.

derickveliz2 · 10-09-2010, 01:58 AM

I'm getting ready, I got some Fiber Glass Cloth, a couple of different weights and some carbon fiber strips to reinforce (maybe overkill but this is where my R/C airplane hobby experience comes to my mind) Resin, disposable gloves, masking tape, etc.

Since I don't have my rings for the kickpanels and the 6.5 drivers I'm going to start with the A-pillars for the 3" mids and Tweeters.

Wish me luck, I guess I'm going to do some mock-ups first and get a hang of it!

D.

sqcomp · 10-09-2010, 07:38 PM

Be sure to look at how I did my pillars. Don't go in blind. I don't know if there are any other Yarii around besides yours and mine that have pillar mounted mids.

You can be assured of a high soundstage!

derickveliz2 · 10-10-2010, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Be sure to look at how I did my pillars. Don't go in blind.

Count with that! over and over!

D.

derickveliz2 · 10-14-2010, 02:34 AM

The Saga continues!

2:30 am and I just got upstairs, 2 hours of work... what work??? Masking tape, cutting fiber glass cloth, carbon fiber tape and some liquid stuff. It's like playing in the sand!

I'll upload pictures later, this is for the left A-pillar mount/extension (First attempt)

D.

derickveliz2 · 10-15-2010, 01:45 AM

Didn't work!

Complete FAILURE!!!

I'm embarrassed showing the pictures

But I will.... I feel good recognizing my mistakes...

derickveliz2 · 10-15-2010, 02:02 AM

Masking Tape...

My objective...

Materials...

Almost there...

Final product...

This is not going to work, going back to the Balls concept!

derickveliz2 · 10-15-2010, 02:06 AM

My new (used) Mid-Bass Driver [SB ACOUSTICS] next to the Pioneer 6.5 (for comparison) Hertz HL70 and Zeus Tweeters... These SB Acoustics are going in the Kick-panels that some day I will build... soon I hope!

derickveliz2 · 10-15-2010, 02:10 AM

Balls Concept!

This is how I'm "Aiming" the speaker sphere for the 3" Mid-range driver Hertz HL-70

Some trim and adjustments...

DailyDriver · 10-16-2010, 10:03 AM

love the pics Derick. you are a braver man than i. But your car will rock harder than mine will too :)

sqcomp · 10-16-2010, 04:33 PM

Derick...you went about the pods the wrong way. You need a base on the pillar BEFORE you lay any glass down. You need the baffle for the mid and the tweeter.

That's why I mentioned looking at my build closely.

I'm chiding you a little here...on purpose. Get a hold of me so we can set your starting point on the pillars correctly.

10-07-2010, 09:09 PM	#633
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Hey derick, eye candy for you... http://pioneer.jp/carrozzeria/carrozzeria_x/ You think the stage 4 is the best Pioneer has? MWAHAHAHA! I'd go back to Iraq for a crack at this stuff... __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

10-08-2010, 12:16 AM	#635
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Today my friend Eric who plays in a band for the Air Force (he plays the Bass), took a close look at my car, even though I'm only running 6.5 midbass drivers in the doors and the Bachuka in the trunk (I bump up the 6.5 drivers from 53Hz to 12.5KHz so I can listen to some music)... He could not tell about the Bachuka in the trunk! he thought all the BASS was coming from the little 6.5 drivers. He was amazed of the sound! by muting the subwoofer was the only way he could tell the deep lower frequencies are coming from some where else. I explain him about the Mids and Tweeter not there jet yet. I did explain him about front stage and sq vrs SPL, I guess he would be a good judge when it comes to sound quality once I get my system going. I told him it will take me a few more months, but he is very interested to hear it once the install is complete. He drives a very nice Volvo and he really liked the ride of my Yaris, "feels very solid and quite! much better than my car" he said! Last edited by derickveliz2; 10-08-2010 at 12:28 AM.

10-08-2010, 01:46 AM	#637
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	This is where your imaging and soundstage width and depth will come into play. I highly suggest taking some time to play with the aiming of your mids. Different axis positions and angles relative to you. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

10-09-2010, 07:38 PM	#640
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Be sure to look at how I did my pillars. Don't go in blind. I don't know if there are any other Yarii around besides yours and mine that have pillar mounted mids. You can be assured of a high soundstage! __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

10-14-2010, 02:34 AM	#642
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	The Saga continues! 2:30 am and I just got upstairs, 2 hours of work... what work??? Masking tape, cutting fiber glass cloth, carbon fiber tape and some liquid stuff. It's like playing in the sand! I'll upload pictures later, this is for the left A-pillar mount/extension (First attempt) D. __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

10-07-2010, 08:31 AM	#631
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Thanks guys, Great and super important information, different opinions and points of view helps me and I hope others as well. Personally if I had the economical power to buy what I would like to it would be a Stage 4 from Pioneer (including the little Lexus), but that's not the case I'm still unemployed so I rather go slow and think twice every move. That is the VALUE of threads like this where I'm learning and gaining knowledge as we go. I wish I had a local access to a good car-audio shop and friends like you to listen to their systems. I have been looking around but looks like everything happens on the other side of the country. Any way I'm glad to be in this forum and hear from all of you! I have a plan: - 4 channel Class AB amp to replace my old Premier 4 channel. - Keep working on kickpanels and A-pillars for Mid-bass down on the floor and Mid-range + tweeters up high. (these will take me a lot of time, like every thing else jeje ) - I'm going to be saving for another amp + subwoofer in the near future. I know of a friend who has a very expensive woofer and one day he tested a smaller cheaper woofer, he really like it to the point that he was thinking about replacing his fancy woofer; maybe that is the way to go. For now looks like I like sound quality and not a loud system... so bear with me and lets keep sharing our thoughts to all our Yaris-World community! YEAH!!!! Thanks again... Derick.

10-08-2010, 12:21 AM	#636
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	I posted this at DIYMA but nothing yet... What's better for Front Stage regarding the location of the mids in the A-pillars: to be as far apart from each other and a little closer to listeners? or to be as far forward from listeners but a little closer together (distance between each speaker)?

10-09-2010, 01:58 AM	#639
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	I'm getting ready, I got some Fiber Glass Cloth, a couple of different weights and some carbon fiber strips to reinforce (maybe overkill but this is where my R/C airplane hobby experience comes to my mind) Resin, disposable gloves, masking tape, etc. Since I don't have my rings for the kickpanels and the 6.5 drivers I'm going to start with the A-pillars for the 3" mids and Tweeters. Wish me luck, I guess I'm going to do some mock-ups first and get a hang of it! D.

10-15-2010, 01:45 AM	#643
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Didn't work! Complete FAILURE!!! I'm embarrassed showing the pictures But I will.... I feel good recognizing my mistakes...

10-15-2010, 02:02 AM	#644
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Masking Tape... My objective... Materials... Almost there... Final product... This is not going to work, going back to the Balls concept! __________________ . My system may not blow your ears, but it will sweeten your senses. CLA 250, 4MATIC

10-15-2010, 02:06 AM	#645
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	My new (used) Mid-Bass Driver [SB ACOUSTICS] next to the Pioneer 6.5 (for comparison) Hertz HL70 and Zeus Tweeters... These SB Acoustics are going in the Kick-panels that some day I will build... soon I hope!

10-15-2010, 02:10 AM	#646
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Balls Concept! This is how I'm "Aiming" the speaker sphere for the 3" Mid-range driver Hertz HL-70 Some trim and adjustments...

10-16-2010, 10:03 AM	#647
DailyDriver View User's Garage Drives: 3dr Lftback (meteorite) Manual Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: utah Posts: 41	love the pics Derick. you are a braver man than i. But your car will rock harder than mine will too :)

10-16-2010, 04:33 PM	#648
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Derick...you went about the pods the wrong way. You need a base on the pillar BEFORE you lay any glass down. You need the baffle for the mid and the tweeter. That's why I mentioned looking at my build closely. I'm chiding you a little here...on purpose. Get a hold of me so we can set your starting point on the pillars correctly. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

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