Whats iQ doing? - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

Freedan · 11-01-2010, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

Saw one in Germany, personally I would stick with the Yaris!

Wow, it really looks like a baby Yaris.

1stToyota · 11-01-2010, 07:17 AM

I hope the iQ makes Smart nervous enough so I can see myself buying a Smart in the near future.

MadMax · 11-01-2010, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Freedan

Wow, it really looks like a baby Yaris.

And more like what we'll get here in the States, just with more pronounced bumpers.

The pics Brian took of the pics of the iQ at Toyotafest this year was built by Five Axis in California, and was "based" on the production Scion iQ but had a four cylinder engine (instead of the iQ's three), 18" wheels and widened wheel arches according to TopSpeed.com.

Everybody gets excited when they see that car but truth be told the US production model won't be anywhere near as cool. It'll look more like this...

Which isn't bad but nowhere near as hot as the Five Axis concept car!

Cheers! M2

wooverstone8 · 11-01-2010, 02:16 PM

I honestly like the Scion iQ. I rarely carry any passengers and about the only thing I haul around daily in my Yaris is briefcase. The thing that holds me back from seriously considering an iQ is that there is no manual transmission available. Only CVT…

*Astroman* · 11-01-2010, 03:45 PM

If my business keeps doing well I'll "sell" my Yaris to it and get an iQ for me

. I can't use an iQ for my business as it's too small, but the Yaris w/o seats is perfect.

bronsin · 11-01-2010, 05:37 PM

I called two Toyota dealers asking about the iQ. One said "Never heard of it." One said "Its coming but we dont know when."

*Astroman* · 11-01-2010, 05:51 PM

"Never heard of it" is typical. I know more about the Yaris than any dealer I've been too. And when I say iQ, they're not thinking cars.

why? · 11-01-2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by krolos

No the micros don't really make much sense, we need clean burning
diesels like in europe, the Yaris whould get 50+mpg without even trying,
but thanks to f**ked up politics in the U.S that wont happen any time
soon.

that isn't about politics. It is about the fact that diesel cars don't sell in the US. There are just enough models with diesels that if they ever took off all the manufacturers would start coming out with them. But there is almost no demand right now.

Kal-El · 11-02-2010, 12:43 AM

Part of it too is that in America, it's not as convenient finding diesel fuel. Diesel is only available at maybe 50% of gas stations. I don't know an exact estimate, but that's an observed estimate. Plus, it's almost always more expensive. Two years ago, diesel was a full dollar more than unleaded per gallon.

bronsin · 11-02-2010, 09:24 AM

Back in the day (1995) I remember filling up my 79 240d for 79 cents a gallon! Most gas stations now sell diesel along side gasoline but it wasnt that way then. If the price of diesel exceeds that of gasoline by 20% its not economically advantagous. Diesels cost more to buy and operate. They are not much of an economy today, if you do the math.
But I would kill for that 1.4 liter diesel in my Yaris!

Flipper_1938 · 11-02-2010, 10:44 AM

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Kal-El · 11-02-2010, 10:47 AM

The margin between unleaded and diesel varies across America, but in my area today...

Unleaded averages - $2.75/gal
Diesel averages - $3.05/gal

A 10% difference. Not too bad right now and would mathematically be worth getting a diesel. As I mentioned earlier, when gas shot to $4/gal 2 1/2 years ago, diesel went to $5/gal (in my area). An even bigger margin.

bronsin · 11-02-2010, 11:40 AM

But...my Yaris gets 36 mpg and what would a diesel get? (in town?) Lets say 44 mpg. So to drive a thousand miles in the Yaris is $76. 1000 miles in our diesel is $69. You save $7 per 1000 miles times 100 thousand miles is $700. Can you buy a diesel car for $15,000? (the bottom line for my Yaris) I think it would be MUCH more. Maybe $5000 more. The numbers just arent there.

MadMax · 11-02-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bronsin

But...my Yaris gets 36 mpg and what would a diesel get? (in town?) Lets say 44 mpg. So to drive a thousand miles in the Yaris is $76. 1000 miles in our diesel is $69. You save $7 per 1000 miles times 100 thousand miles is $700. Can you buy a diesel car for $15,000? (the bottom line for my Yaris) I think it would be MUCH more. Maybe $5000 more. The numbers just arent there.

I think the diesel Yaris is rated much higher than 44 MPG! Heck, in a fuel efficiency challenge in the UK two years ago, a 1.4 D-4D diesel Yaris won with an average of 70.49 MPG (and that's US, not imperial, gallons!).

"Normal" fuel consumption for that car is (in US gallons): 45 mpg city / 68 highway / 55 mpg combined.

Even the Skoda Octavia wagon I drove in Germany two weeks ago, mainly at autobahn speeds, was averaging around 45 MPG.

Unfortunately, our high diesel prices (due to the Diesel Emissions Reduction Act of 2005) have dramatically undercut the benefits of diesel-powered cars in this country.

Cheers! M2

bronsin · 11-02-2010, 04:41 PM

Yes but those cars are not availible in this country. I get the sense they will not be here in the future either. I think 44mpg is a generous figure for the diesel cars that are sold here.

SailDesign · 11-02-2010, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bronsin

But...my Yaris gets 36 mpg and what would a diesel get? (in town?) Lets say 44 mpg. So to drive a thousand miles in the Yaris is $76. 1000 miles in our diesel is $69. You save $7 per 1000 miles times 100 thousand miles is $700. Can you buy a diesel car for $15,000? (the bottom line for my Yaris) I think it would be MUCH more. Maybe $5000 more. The numbers just arent there.

Why would a diesel car cost more....?

SailDesign · 11-02-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SailDesign

Why would a diesel car cost more....?

Here's the official Price List for Toyota UK - the diesel is more, but only 1000 pounds, not 5000. Well worth it!

http://www.toyota.co.uk/bv/UK_car_pr...wCarPrices.pdf

bronsin · 11-02-2010, 06:07 PM

So...you would spend $1500 to save $700 over 100k miles. Add to that the added maintainence costs for a diesel vs gasoline engine. Also, I have found that published prices are different than actually walking into a dealership and buying the car. Diesels often come with extras one does not want and which increase the price. A VW Jetta diesel is a good example of that.
Bottom line the best economy option would be the 1 liter gas engine.

11-01-2010, 07:17 AM	#20
1stToyota Drives: 2013 Chevy Spark 1LT 5-speed Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,185	I hope the iQ makes Smart nervous enough so I can see myself buying a Smart in the near future. __________________ 1997 Lincoln Town Car - *SOLD* 2008 Scion xD (w/ automatic) - SOLD 2008 Yaris HB - SOLD

11-01-2010, 03:45 PM	#23
Astroman Modded Moderator View User's Garage Drives: 07 Toyota Yaris, 71 Galaxie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wenatchee, WA Posts: 3,670	If my business keeps doing well I'll "sell" my Yaris to it and get an iQ for me . I can't use an iQ for my business as it's too small, but the Yaris w/o seats is perfect. __________________ Please visit my online store for computer stuff and Official Yarisworld decals!

11-01-2010, 05:51 PM	#25
Astroman Modded Moderator View User's Garage Drives: 07 Toyota Yaris, 71 Galaxie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wenatchee, WA Posts: 3,670	"Never heard of it" is typical. I know more about the Yaris than any dealer I've been too. And when I say iQ, they're not thinking cars. __________________ Please visit my online store for computer stuff and Official Yarisworld decals!

11-02-2010, 10:44 AM	#29
Flipper_1938 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 529	! Last edited by Flipper_1938; 12-18-2010 at 12:02 AM.

11-01-2010, 02:16 PM	#22
wooverstone8 View User's Garage Drives: 2017 VW Jetta 1.4L Manual Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 349	I honestly like the Scion iQ. I rarely carry any passengers and about the only thing I haul around daily in my Yaris is briefcase. The thing that holds me back from seriously considering an iQ is that there is no manual transmission available. Only CVT…

11-01-2010, 05:37 PM	#24
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,792	I called two Toyota dealers asking about the iQ. One said "Never heard of it." One said "Its coming but we dont know when."

11-02-2010, 12:43 AM	#27
Kal-El Drives: 07 Yaris S Sedan 5-Speed Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,179	Part of it too is that in America, it's not as convenient finding diesel fuel. Diesel is only available at maybe 50% of gas stations. I don't know an exact estimate, but that's an observed estimate. Plus, it's almost always more expensive. Two years ago, diesel was a full dollar more than unleaded per gallon.

11-02-2010, 09:24 AM	#28
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,792	Back in the day (1995) I remember filling up my 79 240d for 79 cents a gallon! Most gas stations now sell diesel along side gasoline but it wasnt that way then. If the price of diesel exceeds that of gasoline by 20% its not economically advantagous. Diesels cost more to buy and operate. They are not much of an economy today, if you do the math. But I would kill for that 1.4 liter diesel in my Yaris!

11-02-2010, 10:47 AM	#30
Kal-El Drives: 07 Yaris S Sedan 5-Speed Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,179	The margin between unleaded and diesel varies across America, but in my area today... Unleaded averages - $2.75/gal Diesel averages - $3.05/gal A 10% difference. Not too bad right now and would mathematically be worth getting a diesel. As I mentioned earlier, when gas shot to $4/gal 2 1/2 years ago, diesel went to $5/gal (in my area). An even bigger margin.

11-02-2010, 11:40 AM	#31
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,792	But...my Yaris gets 36 mpg and what would a diesel get? (in town?) Lets say 44 mpg. So to drive a thousand miles in the Yaris is $76. 1000 miles in our diesel is $69. You save $7 per 1000 miles times 100 thousand miles is $700. Can you buy a diesel car for $15,000? (the bottom line for my Yaris) I think it would be MUCH more. Maybe $5000 more. The numbers just arent there.

11-02-2010, 04:41 PM	#33
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,792	Yes but those cars are not availible in this country. I get the sense they will not be here in the future either. I think 44mpg is a generous figure for the diesel cars that are sold here.

11-02-2010, 06:07 PM	#36
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,792	So...you would spend $1500 to save $700 over 100k miles. Add to that the added maintainence costs for a diesel vs gasoline engine. Also, I have found that published prices are different than actually walking into a dealership and buying the car. Diesels often come with extras one does not want and which increase the price. A VW Jetta diesel is a good example of that. Bottom line the best economy option would be the 1 liter gas engine.