Yaris Sedan Deadening and Sound system upgrade

[sqcomp]

Hey D,

Spurring you on...I got the kicks mostly done today. I just need some sanding and a shorthair coat, then I'll carpet these bad boys.







Also got the sub enclosure put into the car. I had to look at clearance and placement issues for the amps...




^Yes, that is a mock S2b...I'd rather lug that around versus the real thing.

Speaking of the real thing, it looks like I received the #1 S2b from DD...

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Hey D,

Spurring you on...I got the kicks mostly done today. I just need some sanding and a shorthair coat, then I'll carpet these bad boys.

The kick panel looks GREAT, but... it's in the wrong Yaris... Jeje


You can keep the 100% mock-up of your DD amp, I'm going to keep the actual amp


D.

[sqcomp]

The thing is that you're set on the front sub. I can help to make it seemless from another location.

That being said, these kicks should fit your L6's...You can make these! If you want, I can do the flush baffles.

[derickveliz2]

I still have the idea of the sub in the front, My L6s will go in the OEM door locations. But thanks any way! your kicks look awesome!

D.

[sqcomp]

Okay...more spurring you D...

Tonight after work, I've got a late night session at the shop. We'll see some sanding on the kicks and good progress on the sub enclosure. We should see THE cut for the trim ring for the sub and it's angled placement. I'll be trying to keep a similar angle for the amplifiers and the sub just for flow.

You MAY also see a Bit One make an appearance...

[derickveliz2]

Just show us a little BIT one!
How much more control will you have after adding a Bit One to your P-99? what are the pros?

D.

[sqcomp]

Well, the Bit One didn't make an appearance outside the storefront. We talked about placement and wire runs.

There was a lot of work to "finish" the kicks. All I really have to do now is to thread-sert the baffles and rattle can some black the baffles as well. Then it's carpeting for them.









We worked on the sub enclosure as well...





The next part is fleecing the ring. I had to let the wood glue on the supports cure. So I couldn't do too much tonight.

We're hemming and hawing about how to place the amplifiers...whether to angle them or place them horizontally. If we place them horizontally, we have enough space to have the S4b floating in between and "above" the two S2b amps...and it'll look like an entire heat sink...RAWR! :)

The Bit one will be on the cabin side of the pass through is what we're thinking about doing.

What is it going to do for me? The equalizer is 31 band 1/3 octave per output channel (in expert mode) that can be set for each individual channel or for linking the left/right respective channels (i.e. left and right front tweeters). TA adjustments are made in .2 dB increments to + or - 12 dB. Once you have all of your tuning done you simply finalize the setting to the processor and you are good. You can save the setting to you computer (just in case.) you have a total of four setups you can program in. Another nice feature is the Dynamic EQ for the subwoofer. For lack of a better term this is a highly adjustable loudness feature. Crossover Filter types are 12 / 24 / 36 / 48 dB Linkwitz & 6 / 12 / 18 / 24 / 30 / 36 / 42 / 48 dB Butterworth filters.

What does that mean? I'll have steeper crossover slopes, more specific EQ control, and TA control over the deck alone.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by TOLMACH

OEM door locations +1

Several conditions for speakers in door versus kickpanels, I can see here:

Pros:
+Space, for feet and for my front sub
+For some reason I feel it makes the stage wider running off-axis in the OEM door location


Cons:
-Space, for some people is important.
-Speaker environment, I have the feeling that Yari's doors are not very good speaker boxes.
-Difficult to build & finish but not impossible


Probably there are more +/- but I think kick panels are great and much better for mid/bass, if it wasn't that I'm in love with the idea of having a subwoofer in front, I' will continue building my kickpanels. Every time I move the sub to the trunk I feel the Bass on my seat, when I move it to the front, I feel the bass on my body. (price less)

There for, I'm going to give up the idea and work around the OEM door locations and deal with it. I really want a sub in front!

Many people stated me that a good strong Midbass up front will deal having the sub in the trunk, Yes I agree, this time I'm going to follow what I feel/hear is more pleasant to me. Even though at the meet with other car audio enthusiasts a couple of guys commented that I had really good Mid/bass (one of them was a SPL guy) and now changing to the new L6s it's just going to get better.

D.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

Well, the Bit One didn't make an appearance outside the storefront. We talked about placement and wire runs.

There was a lot of work to "finish" the kicks. All I really have to do now is to thread-sert the baffles and rattle can some black the baffles as well. Then it's carpeting for them.

The next part is fleecing the ring. I had to let the wood glue on the supports cure. So I couldn't do too much tonight.

We're hemming and hawing about how to place the amplifiers...whether to angle them or place them horizontally. If we place them horizontally, we have enough space to have the S4b floating in between and "above" the two S2b amps...and it'll look like an entire heat sink...RAWR! :)

The Bit one will be on the cabin side of the pass through is what we're thinking about doing.

What is it going to do for me? The equalizer is 31 band 1/3 octave per output channel (in expert mode) that can be set for each individual channel or for linking the left/right respective channels (i.e. left and right front tweeters). TA adjustments are made in .2 dB increments to + or - 12 dB. Once you have all of your tuning done you simply finalize the setting to the processor and you are good. You can save the setting to you computer (just in case.) you have a total of four setups you can program in. Another nice feature is the Dynamic EQ for the subwoofer. For lack of a better term this is a highly adjustable loudness feature. Crossover Filter types are 12 / 24 / 36 / 48 dB Linkwitz & 6 / 12 / 18 / 24 / 30 / 36 / 42 / 48 dB Butterworth filters.

What does that mean? I'll have steeper crossover slopes, more specific EQ control, and TA control over the deck alone.

Nice! I see you took the flat face approach, very clever and easier to work with.

Bit One: mmm it's getting too complicated I'll leave that for the Pros! I like how easy is for me going through the P-99 features, I understand is not as complex, and like you told me once, it's simple and does a good job.

Keep the pictures coming!

are you giving up the spare tire space?

D.

[sqcomp]

The other nice thing about this kick pod setup for me is that I can have the car wide open and the sound stage stays the same...good for quick demos.

With what I'm doing, I'll need the flexibility that the Bit One gives me. The nice thing though, is if anything bad happens to the piece, I have the source to use.

Yes, I've given up the spare tire. I've got roadside assistance from three places (insurance, Toyota, and the tire place). I'm good.

I think the next pictures will be the finish of the kicks, more work on the sub enclosure, and sometime in the next month, I'll be working the frame for the amps. I'll be using one of the shop guy's cars while the Yaris is being welded on. After the frame is up, then we place the amps and the Bit One.

Fun!

[sqcomp]

^I'm going to do the grills on Sunday before these get carpeted.


^ That is a jig...I now make two copies and flush them down into my grills...

You'll see those soon.

[derickveliz2]

Originally Posted by sqcomp

^I'm going to do the grills on Sunday before these get carpeted.


^ That is a jig...I now make two copies and flush them down into my grills...

You'll see those soon.

Very nice!

I keep staring at the HAT logo but I can't find out where it's coming or what is trying to say, do you know the history behind? I'm curious to know.

D.

[sqcomp]

"It is the Christian cross with the stylized circle being the international symbol of unity (“Unbroken Circle”, kind of like a wedding band would signify perfect unity – thus the naming nomenclature of the future Unity series)." - Scott Buwalda

[_S7V7N_]

Hey D i installed them Autotek's today and wow, they sound pretty damn good. The crossover still allows the higher frequencies on the 6.5's through to the tweeter. It's giving a pretty full sound . The Midbass probably isn't as impressive as SQ's or yours but it's good enough for me ! I crossed the mid's over at 120 Hz and they still put out a decent amount of thump !

[_S7V7N_]

I could Easily set it to pick up the mids at 90 Hz but i liked the way it sounds. It's not a brick wall, it'll pick up stuff lower than 120 Hz. You have a diff suggestion ?

[sqcomp]

In my case, I crossed my L8's at 40 Hz. I have a feeling that these L6SE's may be crossed in the 30's or even lower...

I have plenty of juice to push them, a neat pair of pods that make the L6SE's close to, I not completely, IB.

Mid bass is the key for me.

[_S7V7N_]

I may get an 8 inch sub to handle the midbass, but for now Imma let the 12's handle the 20 - 100 Hz Range.

[_S7V7N_]

I did some searching since you guys set yours different and this was what i found on Crutchfield : http://www.crutchfield.com/S-zucuJnc...overs_faq.html

In a hypothetical car audio system the audio frequencies might be directed as follows:

Low frequencies (say 100 Hz and lower) go to subwoofers.
Midbass speakers get frequencies between 100 and 250 Hz.
Midrange speakers would see frequencies between 250 and 3,000 Hz.
All frequencies above 3,000 are handled by the tweeters.

Keep in mind that the points listed here are not set in stone and do not apply to every car out there. The best crossover points for one vehicle might not be the best for another. It all depends on the speakers being used and the acoustic properties of the car. Most electronic crossovers allow you to choose from several crossover points.


Nothings ever set in stone, Like SQ has them kickass 6.5's and Derick does as well so there crossover points will be a hell of a lot lower than mine. The specs on mine say 60 Hz on the low end, I'd prolly do 60 Hz if i had them in an enclosure with the specified airspace i wouldn't worry to much about over powering them and possibly messing up my voice coils ( which is what i think happend to my component 6.5's ).