Rear Window Opener? - Page 2 - Toyota Yaris Forums

Captain Slow · 02-19-2013, 06:48 PM

Honestly I don't care about the little side windows in the back, I want that hatch glass open. I may look into what it would take to make it a removable piece. On a totally clear and sunny day you could pop it off, set it in the garage, and go for a little cruise.

Captain Slow · 02-19-2013, 06:51 PM

TECHNICALLY it shouldn't be that hard.

you'd just remove the glass and put one of those large squishy gaskets all around the hole in the hatch where it used to be, drill some holes in the glass, weld some brackets to the inside of the hatch with something like hood pins sticking out of them, then slip your glass back into place and latch it down.

overall the idea is very simple, it's just getting little details like making sure the mounting pin holes are weather-proof, etc... that would be the problem. as they say, the devil is in the details.

nookandcrannycar · 02-19-2013, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

If I am not mistaken, even my 1976 Ford Pinto had these.

You are correct. My mother or father had a '76 Pinto temporarily during a car repair, and I remember locking the keys in the car in the parking lot of Malibu Grand Prix and having to pop that 'clasp' on the window to be able to get the keys out with a borrowed wire coat hanger.

Yaris Newbie · 03-29-2013, 11:57 AM

I would love to have either of them, side or back, open up. Anything every happen with this?

CoryM · 03-29-2013, 01:18 PM

As was mentioned, the open hatch glass would bring in exhaust fumes. Due to the aerodynamics of a car going down the road, there is a vacuum at the rear of the car. This will cause exhaust to be pulled into the cabin. If you want to try it, go for a drive with the hatch open. I've never tried in the Yaris, but I assume it is the same.

I don't think there is any viable option to do the side vent windows with the OE glass. Unless you wanted it to hinge on the bottom, or made the front hinges clamp the glass tight enough to hold it (still might fall out). To do it with plexiglas would be easy enough. Just buy replacement sunroof/moon roof hardware, aftermarket weather strip, and cut the plexi to the same dimensions. Hardest part might be making it sit flush.

thatbryanguy · 03-30-2013, 10:10 AM

CoryM is right, if you remove the back glass and go for a drive you won't be smelling fresh air, that vacuum is going to suck all your exhaust into the cabin and if it was me I'd be disappointed with all the work it took to make the back glass removable for a very un-enjoyable ride full of poisonous gas...

MadMax · 03-30-2013, 11:27 AM

No, he's not. First, we're not talking about the hatch, we're talking about the side windows which numerous cars (such as the aforementioned Pinto) had mechanisms that allowed you to crack them open. Exhaust was never an issue.

Secondly, since I drive a Jeep with the back window removed the majority of the time, and there is no exhaust smell. Same goes with the side windows (I run without them a lot of the time as well), there is enough airflow around the vehicle to ensure it gets dissipated without coming back into the passenger compartment.

CrankyOldMan · 03-30-2013, 11:56 AM

The wife's '98 Sienna has electric actuators for the rear side windows. They only open 1.5-2", but it allows a nice cross-flow if someone starts telling bean jokes. I also had an 80's Sentra wagon with a cable-actuated window on the passenger side. It's certainly possible to engineer this, it's just a matter of cost.

thatbryanguy · 03-30-2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MadMax

No, he's not. First, we're not talking about the hatch, we're talking about the side windows which numerous cars (such as the aforementioned Pinto) had mechanisms that allowed you to crack them open. Exhaust was never an issue.

Secondly, since I drive a Jeep with the back window removed the majority of the time, and there is no exhaust smell. Same goes with the side windows (I run without them a lot of the time as well), there is enough airflow around the vehicle to ensure it gets dissipated without coming back into the passenger compartment.

Oh I was referring to post #19 who said he was interested in the hatch window not the sides, but thanks. And I hope you're not trying to compare your jeeps aerodynamics to the yaris hatchback LOL. Ride in a yaris with just the back glass open or pop the hatch and then you'll understand there's not enough airflow to push the gases out of the Vacuum you create in the cabin even with the front windows rolled down. Especially at city cruising speeds 30-45ish.

CoryM · 03-30-2013, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by thatbryanguy

Oh I was referring to post #19 who said he was interested in the hatch window not the sides, but thanks.

As was I. MadMax, notice I said "hatch glass".
Side vent windows are fine. Will not cause exhaust to enter the vehicle while moving.

MadMax · 03-30-2013, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by thatbryanguy

Oh I was referring to post #19 who said he was interested in the hatch window not the sides, but thanks. And I hope you're not trying to compare your jeeps aerodynamics to the yaris hatchback LOL. Ride in a yaris with just the back glass open or pop the hatch and then you'll understand there's not enough airflow to push the gases out of the Vacuum you create in the cabin even with the front windows rolled down. Especially at city cruising speeds 30-45ish.

I've driven similar hatches with the hatch open and still haven't experienced the phenomenon described. Ya sure you don't have an exhaust leak somewhere?!?

And if anything, the "aerodynamics" (or lack thereof) on a Jeep cause more turbulence, which if anything would lead to more of an opportunity to draw exhaust into the passenger compartment.

One of the reasons I shaved off my handlebar mustache was because the wind blew it around too much from the inside of the Jeep!

thatbryanguy · 03-31-2013, 12:22 AM

>.> an exhaust leak wouldn't lead to smelling the fumes only when the hatch were open...yea I was saying because the way the air flows around a jeep is so different and chaotic because of its lack of aerodynamics (being more off road adventure oriented) you can't compare it to a super curvy, streamlined for MPG Yaris ya know? We have 3 yarii (2 of them '07 2dr hb and one '09 4dr hb) in the family, and unless they all have an exhaust leak...they all lead to the same exhaust filling the cabin when you ride with that hatch open. We know this because of the lack of a larger vehicle to use to go to Home Depot in and have wood sticking out of the back lol. My fiancé bought her yaris used with a messed up back window and had to drive with it for 2 days not on the car until it was replaced with a bag then finally a new window and we definitely got enveloped with exhaust fumes in the cabin. Now it wasn't bad at all when you get to around 50+mph but at 30mph it was terrible.

The small side windows IMO would be a great idea if you can mount up some sort of hinges or something back there cleanly. I just wanted to forewarn of a possible turn off of a rear hatch glass project issue before a bunch of work goes into it. More power to you one way or another and let us know what works and what doesn't when it's done!

vadr45 · 03-31-2013, 01:32 PM

<<But it's a Morris Minor, fur cryin' out loud, and they look like poached eggs at the best of times.>>
<<Easy now! The "Maddiemobile" was a white 1959 model Morris Minor!>>

Steady on, Old Boy, I'm only quoting Lord Nuffield: <<By 1945, a full scale static model close to the conventional production form was unveiled.
William Morris, by then Lord Nuffield, was furious when he saw the final model and nicknamed it “the poached egg”.>>

02-19-2013, 06:51 PM	#20
Captain Slow My Face Is Ridiculous View User's Garage Drives: 2010 Toyota Yaris 3dr LB Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Scott, LA Posts: 456	TECHNICALLY it shouldn't be that hard. you'd just remove the glass and put one of those large squishy gaskets all around the hole in the hatch where it used to be, drill some holes in the glass, weld some brackets to the inside of the hatch with something like hood pins sticking out of them, then slip your glass back into place and latch it down. overall the idea is very simple, it's just getting little details like making sure the mounting pin holes are weather-proof, etc... that would be the problem. as they say, the devil is in the details. __________________ {Buy my book - It Came From Tomorrow}

03-30-2013, 11:27 AM	#25
MadMax Drives: 2008 Yaris Liftback (Sprocket) Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Antonio, Texas! Posts: 2,799	No, he's not. First, we're not talking about the hatch, we're talking about the side windows which numerous cars (such as the aforementioned Pinto) had mechanisms that allowed you to crack them open. Exhaust was never an issue. Secondly, since I drive a Jeep with the back window removed the majority of the time, and there is no exhaust smell. Same goes with the side windows (I run without them a lot of the time as well), there is enough airflow around the vehicle to ensure it gets dissipated without coming back into the passenger compartment. __________________ Last edited by MadMax; 03-30-2013 at 12:09 PM.

03-31-2013, 01:32 PM	#31
vadr45 vadr45 Drives: 2009 Base 3-door Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 55	<<But it's a Morris Minor, fur cryin' out loud, and they look like poached eggs at the best of times.>> <<Easy now! The "Maddiemobile" was a white 1959 model Morris Minor!>> Steady on, Old Boy, I'm only quoting Lord Nuffield: <<By 1945, a full scale static model close to the conventional production form was unveiled. William Morris, by then Lord Nuffield, was furious when he saw the final model and nicknamed it “the poached egg”.>> __________________ vadr45 Alexandria, VA 2009 Black Base 3-Door Yaris 1950 Austin A70 Hampshire

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02-19-2013, 06:48 PM	#19
Captain Slow My Face Is Ridiculous View User's Garage Drives: 2010 Toyota Yaris 3dr LB Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Scott, LA Posts: 456	Honestly I don't care about the little side windows in the back, I want that hatch glass open. I may look into what it would take to make it a removable piece. On a totally clear and sunny day you could pop it off, set it in the garage, and go for a little cruise. __________________ {Buy my book - It Came From Tomorrow}

03-29-2013, 11:57 AM	#22
Yaris Newbie Drives: 2007 Yaris Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 21	I would love to have either of them, side or back, open up. Anything every happen with this?

03-29-2013, 01:18 PM	#23
CoryM Drives: 2009 5-door, 5-speed Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: White Rock BC Posts: 687	As was mentioned, the open hatch glass would bring in exhaust fumes. Due to the aerodynamics of a car going down the road, there is a vacuum at the rear of the car. This will cause exhaust to be pulled into the cabin. If you want to try it, go for a drive with the hatch open. I've never tried in the Yaris, but I assume it is the same. I don't think there is any viable option to do the side vent windows with the OE glass. Unless you wanted it to hinge on the bottom, or made the front hinges clamp the glass tight enough to hold it (still might fall out). To do it with plexiglas would be easy enough. Just buy replacement sunroof/moon roof hardware, aftermarket weather strip, and cut the plexi to the same dimensions. Hardest part might be making it sit flush.

03-30-2013, 10:10 AM	#24
thatbryanguy Drives: Yaris 3dr hatch Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SC Posts: 116	CoryM is right, if you remove the back glass and go for a drive you won't be smelling fresh air, that vacuum is going to suck all your exhaust into the cabin and if it was me I'd be disappointed with all the work it took to make the back glass removable for a very un-enjoyable ride full of poisonous gas...

03-30-2013, 11:56 AM	#26
CrankyOldMan 2ZR swap. DO IT! Ask how! View User's Garage Drives: 09 Meteoric Metallic HB Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: West Michigan Posts: 2,333	The wife's '98 Sienna has electric actuators for the rear side windows. They only open 1.5-2", but it allows a nice cross-flow if someone starts telling bean jokes. I also had an 80's Sentra wagon with a cable-actuated window on the passenger side. It's certainly possible to engineer this, it's just a matter of cost.

03-31-2013, 12:22 AM	#30
thatbryanguy Drives: Yaris 3dr hatch Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SC Posts: 116	>.> an exhaust leak wouldn't lead to smelling the fumes only when the hatch were open...yea I was saying because the way the air flows around a jeep is so different and chaotic because of its lack of aerodynamics (being more off road adventure oriented) you can't compare it to a super curvy, streamlined for MPG Yaris ya know? We have 3 yarii (2 of them '07 2dr hb and one '09 4dr hb) in the family, and unless they all have an exhaust leak...they all lead to the same exhaust filling the cabin when you ride with that hatch open. We know this because of the lack of a larger vehicle to use to go to Home Depot in and have wood sticking out of the back lol. My fiancé bought her yaris used with a messed up back window and had to drive with it for 2 days not on the car until it was replaced with a bag then finally a new window and we definitely got enveloped with exhaust fumes in the cabin. Now it wasn't bad at all when you get to around 50+mph but at 30mph it was terrible. The small side windows IMO would be a great idea if you can mount up some sort of hinges or something back there cleanly. I just wanted to forewarn of a possible turn off of a rear hatch glass project issue before a bunch of work goes into it. More power to you one way or another and let us know what works and what doesn't when it's done!