The open political discussion thread. Read the first post!

[mo_feezy]

I'm pretty sure you are just really, really misinformed about wait times for things, and on these death panel ideas. Sure there are examples of people waiting longer than people wait on average in the U.S., but that is because we only count those with health insurance. Those without insurance NEVER get that surgery they need. And you didn't address my last point in its entirety. All of these problems you are claiming happen here too under the current system. We can claim lower wait times because we don't count the wait times for the 50% of insured Americans who have their claims denied by the huge bureaucracies in the insurance industry. It's just simple manipulation of the numbers and you are wholeheartedly buying into it.

This stuff has been covered ad nauseum all over the media and the internet, but if you are only getting your news from fox, you are not seeing that side of the story.

What I don't understand is why people are so critical of government involvement in this context but not when it comes to wiretapping, the suspension of habeas corpus, etc. Conservatives willingly supported the previous administration who were unabashed liars, crooks, and straight up criminals, but now the country is falling apart because the government wants to play the health insurance game? Ha!

When I look at the inefficiencies of the U.S. government, I almost always see the corporate (private and public business) side of it as being just as bad, if not worse. As a conservative, I am sure you have absolutely no idea of what it's like to be led around blindly. right? Yeah, right. In fact, you probably don't notice the conflict of interest between what you just happen to think is the right way to do things like healthcare, and the fact that the people paying for your movement have a financial stake in winning this issue.

My head is about to explode over this stupidity.

at least we can agree on this quote...

and just to clarify, having the best medical research facilities and training does not mean we have the best healthcare in the world. 99.9% of us could NEVER afford the cutting edge, high-tech health care that is being studied in these medical schools and facilities. Mainly, because our private insurance companies (for those of us wealthy enough to have insurance, and not have out claims denied) only allow us to see certain doctors. And i'll give you a guess as to where those doctors fall into the spectrum from cream of the crop to bottom of the barrel.