Does your liftback have ABS?

[Dweeb]

Originally Posted by SmellyTofu

You are right. There are instances ABS does extend braking distance more than necessary however, what ABS does very well is be consistent.. be it consistently poorly or consistently well.

You are correct about the consistency, as long as you are talking about the same car.
You also mentioned that you drive a lot of different cars, ( I used to also, different one ”rental” almost every day) Than you should know what a difference that makes (different cars, totally different performance/behavior).
Just from my personal cars. The Nissan 350Z has one of the best systems (ABS +VDC +TCS) out there. It can allow you to almost lock up the brakes with it on. It actually, made me not pull the fuse on it. As long as you are on clean tarmac that is.
A Subaru system in general is way too sensitive, you just look at it and it starts pulsating, the newer Impreza STi is better that the WRX or RS.
Dodge, is just as bad, oversensitive in most cases. These are just my personal experiences, from day to day driving and many years in racing.

on a side rant:

It is the driver that makes the difference and avoids collisions. The problem: People put way too much into “it’s got ABS and EBD and….. “ believing" that they will not get into an accident or it will avoid it because of that.

Making all these systems is a good idea and I support it, but they are not going to lessen the amount of accident that we see every day.
There should be a real “driving course” that you have to attend and then pass, that involves driving on every condition of a surface that you may experience, panic stops, collision/obstacle avoidance, see/feel what a front tire blow-out feels like at 100km/h +, what you do when that occurs, what you do when you loose control of a car on snow, ice, when you hit a deep water puddle, what happens when the car over-steer / under-steers on you in a corner, how to properly counter steer and/or correct it and get the car under control again. These are the skills that avoid accidents, the new technology may help with this, for example VDC helps keeping the car pointed in one direction, but it still comes down to the driver.
There are country’s out there that make you take test like I mentioned here to get a driving license.
In North America, to get a drivers license all you have to do is generally is show up, pass a “multiple choice” written test, drive in a parking lot for 10 minutes. Then, HERE is your New and Shiny drivers license sir/mam.

I live in Toronto Canada, there is this driving “test” center by the airport, if you ever want to have a good laugh, go see some people drive there. The “new” wanna-be drivers HIT, and I mean HIT the building that is by the Driving Centre course, when they do their “driving test”. SAD!!

What we need is real driving courses. And not a License in a cereal box.
I know this is logistically impossible, and cost would be astronomical to do with so many people in N.A.. and yes I know about the gradual drivers license program. But hat still doesn’t teach them how to drive, leave correct amount of space in front of them, where to look while driving, (most people look at the bumper of the car ahead… WRONG)

Most of these “new driver courses” that you can take are a joke (no disrespect for anyone)

Ok, enough of may rant….

Dweeb