Obama is the 44th US president

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by 50MPGDream

as usual, well put Gene, continue to keep your chin up

I can see the LP coming out stronger after a botched liberal controlled government. After carter dropped the ball Reagan picked it up proclaimed "government is not the solution to the problem, government is the problem" a theory many of us still hold dear. Perhaps the gov't getting bigger, then not delivering on the promise of hope/change quite the way the Obama supporters have hoped for, then getting knocked down a few rungs will get more people to discover this.

Even if the LP doesn't cut it, the ideas might work well. Many recent Nobel Prizes in Economics were awarded to Economics who were sympathetic to Libertarian ideas. Especially Hayek.

Liberals aren't into business and generating wealth. They're into controlling shit. As a consequence they're already behind the eight ball for the next two years. They cannot blame Bush while slapping on regulations, Card Check and Global Warming bullshit that kill jobs, on top of a recession and heavy inflation.

I'm glad that someone from Chicago is voting Libertarian. Considering that your town hosts one of the best Economics Schools in the World one would think that Libertarianism is a acceptable to some there.

Gene

[Malaya1221]

Originally Posted by GeneW

Enjoy the circus, Malaya. Your man ain't ready for this shit and even if he is, you ain't. You'll realize it the first time you're in a gasoline line.

Gene

circus? no, thank you! been there, done that, when we toppled a dictator in '86!

been in much worst situation than this, this is going to be a walk in a park for me.

what's great about history is that, you learn from it!

i'm more ready than you will ever be gene, experience and time are on my side...keep your head up and never despair old champ!

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by Malaya1221

circus? no, thank you! been there, done that, when we toppled a dictator in '86!

You're going to have to be more specific here, Malaya. If you're referring to the Aquino overthrow of Marcos please give credit to a US which refused to support their favorite bastard in the Phillipines.

Are you saying that you, personally, participated in the Aquino revolt, and if so, how does this compared to a simple election?

Incidentally, I was peripherally involved with the Contras in the 1980s, still regret it to this day and it's one reason that I despise Reagan and Bush. They and we were used.

Originally Posted by Malaya1221

been in much worst situation than this, this is going to be a walk in a park for me.

what's great about history is that, you learn from it!

Patterns repeat, but they're only patterns. Think about it.

You haven't overthrown a dictator here. You participated in an election. You haven't changed the System either.

If anything McCain's defeat ends the rule of Neo-Cons. The remaining GOPers in the Congress are more Conservative, including my own Rep.

Originally Posted by Malaya1221

i'm more ready than you will ever be gene, experience and time are on my side...keep your head up and never despair old champ!

I'm not worried at all, save the possibility of some irritation from someone calling the Police to report me for illegal guns - I don't own any but such abuse happens from time to time.

Then there is Card Check. I don't like to think about that one, it enrages me to the point of violence. I cannot imagine why Unions insist upon this one, it's suicidal for them in the long term. They must know that they're going to lose because Card Check is a dirty trick.

Aside that, I work for a living, don't use drugs and keep to myself.

I pity the people of Color who are expecting so much from Obama. He's not going to deliver it. He can't, and that's my point.

Gene

[50MPGDream]

Originally Posted by Malaya1221

Oscar Wilde decribed a cynic as 'A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing'.

Can't help but feel sorry for this man(gene)...

"And while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress." Barack Obama 11/4/2008

you don't seem to be healing any sort of divides, it looks to me like you are pouring salt in a wound

[Malaya1221]

Originally Posted by 50MPGDream

"And while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress." Barack Obama 11/4/2008

you don't seem to be healing any sort of divides, it looks to me like you are pouring salt in a wound

i felt sorry for his cynical views because i was a cynic myself. other than that, learned lots of thing from gene's point of views.

fyi: not part of democratic party, just voted for the man!

[Malaya1221]

Originally Posted by GeneW

Can't help but feel sorry for the man too.....

He is in one of the toughest economic periods of US history. We're on the brink of a recession. Inflation is almost guaranteed because of continuous Fed liquidity increases since 2001, and huge increases this fall.

Obama has committed the US to implementing the Kyoto treaty. He promises to be 'tougher' than anyone else. At the very same time he is promising to end Outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to areas of the world which are not under Kyoto restrictions. Businesses instead will go bankrupt or find loopholes to permit outsourcing.

Obama has promised a middle class tax cut. He has promised to fully fund an aggressive expansion of AmeriCorps. He will do these things during a recession and inflation?

While initially campaigning as a "peace candidate" Obama has since committed to increasing troop deployments in Afghanistan. He has also promised to aid Israel if it is attacked. Where he will find the money for these things I do not know.

I call Obama Jimmy Carter with a tan. That may sound mean but it's not far from the truth. I expect him to serve for one term, and to end up defeated and disillusioned like Mr. Carter.


Enjoy your celebrations. Me, I voted for Bob Barr and did not have a dog in this hunt. Still, it's gonna be an exciting two years until the 2010 elections.

Gene

Oscar Wilde decribed a cynic as 'A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing'.

Can't help but feel sorry for this man(gene)...

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by Malaya1221

Oscar Wilde decribed a cynic as 'A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing'.

Can't help but feel sorry for this man(gene)...

Cynicism is what happens after despair is over. I'm more amused than despairing. I've just watched a presumably decent man making promises he can't keep to people who don't understand the situation get a job he's not quite ready to do.

I've been through this shit before, in 1976. I remember how Jimmy Earl, all folksy like, was going to "heal America". In 1975 it was "Jimmy who?" and by 1985 it was "Jimmy who?"

By the time Carter was out of office we had twenty percent plus interest rates, a roller coaster stock market, gasoline lines (which are clearly a manifestation of price controls), and a paranoid Right that was on the verge of a Sagebrush rebellion over Carter's use of the ATF to strictly enforce paperwork violations under the GCA of 1968.

We also had Soviet supported rebellions in Africa and latin America and a full blown invasion in Afghanistan (which we started under Carter).

We didn't have Kyoto nor the Department of Homeland Security to contend with, nor the kind of intrusive data mining technology we got today.


Enjoy the circus, Malaya. Your man ain't ready for this shit and even if he is, you ain't. You'll realize it the first time you're in a gasoline line.

Gene

[Rain]

I can't wait for tomorrow. This is really something O_O

[TheRealEnth]

THIS IS SOMETHING... YOU ARE RIGHT RAIN... THIS IS LIKE OH MY GOD.... hes our president... we put him there, we made this happen.. we caused change... Hes the president of OUR country.. yes we can

[Qmobile]

Change is not coming IT'S HERE!!!! :c lap::cla p:

[Treyz]

I've never watched an election so closely before. I'm glad that he won. I'm sorry, but the Replublicans put us into the mess we're in now along with their not so fearless leader, Bush.

I'm looking foward and hope that Barack does in fact stay true to what he has proposed.

I really mid the mid to late 90's with Clinton in office, I think that's when everything was great all around in my lifetime so far.

[bobselectric]

Congrats to the new President of the US.
Remember each and everyone of us will be watching you. The ones who are not starstruck will do so with clear sight. I hope and pray that you are the type of President who will "get things done" without harming the US.
To those of you that are celebrating- There is nothing to celebrate now- the road is ahead of you, the path laid out. Navigate the way then celebrate.

[Black Yaris]

anyone notice a Canadian started this thread ? :)

[hatchbackkid82]

Just glad we have a new president. We are ready for change

[Callisto]

I think that the current administration and most of the house and senate are traitors and should be tried as such. This is because when they take office they swear an oath:

House

"I, (name of Member), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God."

Senate

Same

Presidency

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Note that these oaths do not state anything about undercutting, violating, or otherwise ignoring/harming the bits of the constitution with which they do not agree.

Obama will get my support if he begins acting like a real president. Using his veto power when anything in violation of the constitution goes across his desk. He (and the house/senate) needs to realize that the federal government is a special purpose government created to perform only a few, very limited (in scope, not necessarily magnitude) tasks, and that they cannot simply ignore that charter, without violating the oath that they swear upon taking office.

The president is the chief executive, it is his charge to execute the laws of the United States FAITHFULLY, that means, NOT enforcing laws which are in violation of the constitution just as much as actively enforcing the laws which are constitutionally sound. Many laws made by congress overstep the bounds of the constitution, and they are void. United States v. Lopez 514 U.S. 549.

This man has an incredible opportunity, a president with a true mandate from the people. I hope he uses it well.

In closing

"Well I didn't vote for him, but he's my President now and I hope he does a good job."

-John Wayne, upon learning that Kennedy had defeated Nixon.

[bobby]

"Well I didn't vote for him, but he's my President now and I hope he does a good job."

-John Wayne, upon learning that Kennedy had defeated Nixon.



In the movies, John Wayne was a hero. In real life, he was an alcoholic, a womanizer, and an abusive father. Who really cares what John Wayne said or thought? He really was profoundly uninteresting.

[Callisto]

Originally Posted by bobby

"Well I didn't vote for him, but he's my President now and I hope he does a good job."

-John Wayne, upon learning that Kennedy had defeated Nixon.



In the movies, John Wayne was a hero. In real life, he was an alcoholic, a womanizer, and an abusive father. Who really cares what John Wayne said or thought? He really was profoundly uninteresting.

I was indicating that that was my sentiment. Not that the speaker was some great person. I simply believe in citing sources.

[Phaeton]

Something Gene said caught my attention. Why does the U.S. have to keep supporting Israel? I never understood why it's a such a big deal to most Republicans to support them.
It seems like they are just as crazy as the Palestinians. I say let those crazy people sort there own mess out. Just my two cents.
Obama is better than the alternative considering the Libertarian party has a way to go before they are taken seriously.