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[Spades]

just a little side note. the rear speakers should be fill only. deck power and 6x9's should be more than enough...

what i have been doing lately for friends sound systems i have built when they were on a budget was 6.5" roadmaster speakers in the back. available at walmart for 20 bux. the are actually very clean sounding even on deck power, esp if you run a crossover to block out some lows. they do distort at very high volumes, but, if you are playing the back speakers at the distortion level, you either:

A. need to move the fader forward so you arent getting blasted from the back

or

B. you are playing your system with the correct fader settings, but its so loud that you now are deaf...and not temporarilly.


my thoughts on rear speakers have always been that way. and 6x9's were designed for shallow rear decks that were in most of the cars from the 70's to the 90's. they will distort before a 6.5" will, but, they also have more cone surface, which means, if the magnet, spider, and material set up is the same on a given 6x9 and 6.5, the 6x9 will kill the 6.5 on bass output up to the distortion point, which is why manufacturers still use them.

my thought would be a cheap 6.5 like the red roadmasters that sound good and play loud enough for rear fill, and then a better 2 channel amp or a more powerfull deck all the way around, and a set of nicer components (infinity referance anyone?)....

edit: not sure what tal meant by rear fill being a gimmick...my thinking is that if you are going to use anything in the rear, even a $20 speaker is better than the stockers

[talnlnky]

Originally Posted by Spades

just a little side note. the rear speakers should be fill only. deck power and 6x9's should be more than enough...

what i have been doing lately for friends sound systems i have built when they were on a budget was 6.5" roadmaster speakers in the back. available at walmart for 20 bux. the are actually very clean sounding even on deck power, esp if you run a crossover to block out some lows. they do distort at very high volumes, but, if you are playing the back speakers at the distortion level, you either:

A. need to move the fader forward so you arent getting blasted from the back

or

B. you are playing your system with the correct fader settings, but its so loud that you now are deaf...and not temporarilly.


my thoughts on rear speakers have always been that way. and 6x9's were designed for shallow rear decks that were in most of the cars from the 70's to the 90's. they will distort before a 6.5" will, but, they also have more cone surface, which means, if the magnet, spider, and material set up is the same on a given 6x9 and 6.5, the 6x9 will kill the 6.5 on bass output up to the distortion point, which is why manufacturers still use them.

my thought would be a cheap 6.5 like the red roadmasters that sound good and play loud enough for rear fill, and then a better 2 channel amp or a more powerfull deck all the way around, and a set of nicer components (infinity referance anyone?)....

edit: not sure what tal meant by rear fill being a gimmick...my thinking is that if you are going to use anything in the rear, even a $20 speaker is better than the stockers

Actually... a 6x9 does not have more cone area than a 6.5" round speaker. Its been a long time since I did the math, but I believe a 6x9 might actually have less cone area. You have to keep in mind, that a 6x9 is only 9" wide in the center, and only 6" tall in the center... in some points the speaker is much much smaller.



rear fill is a gimick in the sense that cars did not run rear speakers until the RTA came out. once the RTA came out people started realizing that they had gaps in frequency all over the place... and placing more speakers seemed to help it. BUT!!! it caused many other problems, and really takes away from many aspects of sound quality.

If I go to a concert, I hear music in front of me... not inside my head, or all around me.

If you must have rear fill, get rid of the tweets... run a 6x9 mid or midbass and cross it over no higher than 1Khz.