BailOut's Interview: Conservation in 2009 and Beyond

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Originally Posted by Bob_VT

So President Bush did all that in less than 9 months to cause the 9/11 attack?

No one said that.

Originally Posted by Bob_VT

Amazing that we can manage to point a finger at President Bush and blame it on oil! OMG The first Gulf War was in 1991 that's 18 years ago we were involved and to relate it to President GWB.......

Hmmm. you're right. W has no ties to oil whatsoever. He didn't start a war claiming there were WMDs when there were none. Dick Cheney has no affiliations with halleburton.

seriously, why do people defend W?

Originally Posted by SilverGlow

I generally appreciate the interview with Brian. However parts of his responses strike me as disingenuous, to be sure:

"The hardest part for me was... well, it is difficult to explain as it was a combination of emotions. In its simplest form it was dealing with the guilt once I realized that I had lived so wrongly for the first 35 years of my life. So much waste, so much antipathy, so much disregard for the future - not only for the planet but for my own body. It can be difficult to admit when you are wrong about even a little thing, but admitting to a huge and lengthy string of errors can be downright sad. I had to work through those negative emotions and learn how to question myself, and more importantly how to be honest with myself about who I am and who I want to be, and how I want to leave my mark on the world."

Not only are these thoughts unreasonable, illogical, and an exercise in self-indulgence, but these words are unbeleivable, to be sure. How profound, and deep, Brian. The man with a conscience over oil waste. A bit over the top, yea?!? I share his compulsion to save gas, and of course I do...I drive a Yaris too. However I'm not going to beat myself up for being a wasteful person for the first 45 years of my life.

And yes, the flow of oil in the early 1990's was in fact worth fighting over. Are we to be made to feel guilt for that nobel fight? Like it or not, good or bad, we live in an oil economy, so get over it, that we sent young American boys to die in Kuwait. That is what soldiers do. They fight for our country and sadly, sometimes they give their lives. This is not to suggest that all fights are worth it. Vietnam certainlly was a waste of young American lives, but Kuwait and the defense of oil flow are very, very different.

Yes, agreed GWB is the worse president. Ever! However to blame him entirely for all our oil woes is to show ignorance of the subject. Having fought there, been there, felt the danger of being in the middle east is not necessarily a qualification any more credible then those of us that have never been there. We have eyes. We have ears. And there are many other soldiers who've also been there, that would disagree with Brian.

wowoweewoo. That is perhaps the most american response to anything - EVER. Some people feel bad for using 10x the amount of energy on a day to day basis than 90% of the rest of the world. For you to say there's something wrong with that, is pretty crazy.

No one blamed W "entirely for all our oil woes." You are twisting words, because there is no other way to make what bush(es) has done sound right..

Oil > life? seriously dude, I have a friend who is still recovering from brain damage from an IED... I would gladly take the train or walk to be able to talk to him... Before you blast other people and say there is something wrong with them for feeling bad about destroying the planet and supporting violence, take a look in the mirror man.


Sorry to continue taking this thread off track - good interview man.. But I think(as has been shown here) if people don't get it by now, they never will.

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Originally Posted by supmet

No one said that.



Hmmm. you're right. W has no ties to oil whatsoever. He didn't start a war claiming there were WMDs when there were none. Dick Cheney has no affiliations with halleburton.

seriously, why do people defend W?




wowoweewoo. That is perhaps the most american response to anything - EVER. Some people feel bad for using 10x the amount of energy on a day to day basis than 90% of the rest of the world. For you to say there's something wrong with that, is pretty crazy.

No one blamed W "entirely for all our oil woes." You are twisting words, because there is no other way to make what bush(es) has done sound right..

Oil > life? seriously dude, I have a friend who is still recovering from brain damage from an IED... I would gladly take the train or walk to be able to talk to him... Before you blast other people and say there is something wrong with them for feeling bad about destroying the planet and supporting violence, take a look in the mirror man.


Sorry to continue taking this thread off track - good interview man.. But I think(as has been shown here) if people don't get it by now, they never will.

Yes, now, today and perhaps tomorrow, we all would be dead without oil. In case you have not noticed, we need it. Badly.

This is not to suggest that oil should be here to stay. No, quite the contrary, and Brian is correct in saying that we should get off oil ASAP. But today, now, we need oil. And if our oil supply was halted now, and in the next second, very quickly we all would suffer. It is sad you don't understand this. Perhaps if you put the Karl Marx book down for a minute and thought about it, you might see the light, and see just how important going to Kuwait and fighting to keep the oil flowing was.

Regardless, we can all agree that our future is better if we find ways to get off our oil adiction, and that is something we all can agree on.

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Again with the word twisting, misinformation, and name calling. Bailout didn't force anyone to come here and read this. He's not hurting anyone, or insulting anyone who doesn't believe the same thing as him. He is just sharing his views on things that are wrong and steps he is taking to make them better. If you disagree, that's fine - I'm pretty sure the world is screwed no matter what we do at this point. But I see no reason for all the anger in here... (although I'd be crazy trying to understand someone who still supports bush)

"grrrr you dirty hippy minding your own business and not hurting anyone - I'm gonna run you over for trying not to destroy the environment"

Please, if you wish to call me names or show me how stupid I am, my PM box is always open.. Let's hope this thread can still serve its purpose, which was to give some insight into the mind of a hypermiler :D

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Originally Posted by supmet

Again with the word twisting, misinformation, and name calling. Bailout didn't force anyone to come here and read this. He's not hurting anyone, or insulting anyone who doesn't believe the same thing as him. He is just sharing his views on things that are wrong and steps he is taking to make them better. If you disagree, that's fine - I'm pretty sure the world is screwed no matter what we do at this point. But I see no reason for all the anger in here... (although I'd be crazy trying to understand someone who still supports bush)

"grrrr you dirty hippy minding your own business and not hurting anyone - I'm gonna run you over for trying not to destroy the environment"

Please, if you wish to call me names or show me how stupid I am, my PM box is always open.. Let's hope this thread can still serve its purpose, which was to give some insight into the mind of a hypermiler :D

and +1 everyone has there own opinion, that's what make's us individual's,
No,
USA sucks , car parts are to cheap , gas is to cheap , and 0% interest rates kill the world , hay but life goes on ,you should live it one day at a time ,
because you might not be here tommorrow

that being said nice interview Charles.