Anyone running Royal Purple?

[TheSilkySmooth]

Get one of thouse plastic cup-type filter wrench heads to help get the filter off. Works miracles. Only 3.5 Qts on th refill - 1/2 qt stays in the engine no matter how hard you try to drain it.

[The Shape]

Originally Posted by TheSilkySmooth

Get one of thouse plastic cup-type filter wrench heads to help get the filter off. Works miracles. Only 3.5 Qts on th refill - 1/2 qt stays in the engine no matter how hard you try to drain it.

I have always just poured in 4 qts. Is this really bad????

[1stToyota]

Did Toyota issue an updated TSB? Their last one didn't recommend 0w-20 for the Yaris.

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Did Toyota issue an updated TSB? Their last one didn't recommend 0w-20 for the Yaris.

That is my question! Does anyone online use the 0W20 in their Yaris? I would be interested to know if there was a jump in mileage for going to 0W20?

[SilverGlow]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Did Toyota issue an updated TSB? Their last one didn't recommend 0w-20 for the Yaris.

Yes, and over a year ago. Toyota issued a TSB which states one can use 20 weight oil in their 1.5L engines.

For the millionth time!

See attached official Toyota TSB, and you will see that the Yaris 1.5L engine can use 20 weight.

And yes, I've been using 0W-20 in my Yaris for the past 54,000 miles. Increase in MPG is just around 1% however. I use the light stuff so that it gets circulated quick during cold morning starts. Quick circulation means less wear and tear during the first start up. And it is during the first start up that 90% of engine wear happens. My engine does not consume any oil after 5,000 miles. The engine runs smooth and no strange sounds coming out of it either.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by SilverGlow

Yes, and over a year ago. Toyota issued a TSB which states one can use 20 weight oil in their 1.5L engines.

For the millionth time!

It states 5w-20 NOT 20 OR 0w-20

See attached official Toyota TSB, and you will see that the Yaris 1.5L engine can use 20 weight.

NO, you're drawing your own stupid conclusions again to alter their "5w-20" recommendation to fit into your straight 20 and 0w-20 needs for a southern Ca. climate condition that never needs 0w oil in the first place.

And yes, I've been using 0W-20 in my Yaris for the past 54,000 miles. Increase in MPG is just around 1% however. I use the light stuff so that it gets circulated quick during cold morning starts. Quick circulation means less wear and tear during the first start up. And it is during the first start up that 90% of engine wear happens. My engine does not consume any oil after 5,000 miles. The engine runs smooth and no strange sounds coming out of it either.

You don't need to worry about cold morning startups, you live in so. Ca. ...and film strength always plays a part in not wearing and tearing your internals. Not saying you'll blow your motor or make it drink oil, just saying that you're asking for trouble for using a viscosity that is NOT listed for the Yaris in the Toyota TSB...did you do a XD engine swap? Yes? Then that'd be okay...Yaris 1.5 still, not okay, according to the Toyota TSB that you like so much but can't comprehend.

[SilverGlow]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

It states 5w-20 NOT 20 OR 0w-20




NO, you're drawing your own stupid conclusions again to alter their "5w-20" recommendation to fit into your straight 20 and 0w-20 needs for a southern Ca. climate condition that never needs 0w oil in the first place.



You don't need to worry about cold morning startups, you live in so. Ca. ...and film strength always plays a part in not wearing and tearing your internals. Not saying you'll blow your motor or make it drink oil, just saying that you're asking for trouble for using a viscosity that is NOT listed for the Yaris in the Toyota TSB...did you do a XD engine swap? Yes? Then that'd be okay...Yaris 1.5 still, not okay, according to the Toyota TSB that you like so much but can't comprehend.

ALL the oil brands that sell 0w-20 make the claim that that their oil is a great match for ANY 5w-20 application. AMSoil, Mobil1 and others make this claim.

And you are dead wrong about California and 0w weight oil. Anytime the ambient temperature is below 40F one will IN FACt benefit from 0w oil. You are also very foolish to think that it does not snow in California. It does in fact.

Film strength and viscosity have NOTHING to do with each other. And in fact, there are some 20 weights that provide film longer then heavier oils.

What you fail to understand is that 0w-20 and 5w-20 provide the SAME protection at full operational temperatures. The difference is during the first morning start of the cold day. And if a 5w is fine, then a 0w will be too. This is true according to AMSoil, and Mobil1 and ALL other makes that make 0W oils.

According to Toyota, 5w-20 can be used safely in a Yaris 1.5L engine. Now, that being true, one can ALSO use 0w-20, 0w-30 too for our Yaris engines, and this according to ALL the makers of 0w oils.

It is too bad you behave like you know more about oil then Toyota, AMSoil, and Mobil1.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by SilverGlow

ALL the oil brands that sell 0w-20 make the claim that that their oil is a great match for ANY 5w-20 application. AMSoil, Mobil1 and others make this claim.

All but Toyota on Toyota's TSB. Funny that Toyota says 0w-20 is awesome for the Camry, but the Yaris needs 5w-20

And you are dead wrong about California and 0w weight oil. Anytime the ambient temperature is below 40F one will IN FACt benefit from 0w oil. You are also very foolish to think that it does not snow in California. It does in fact.

Fool, 5w is winter weight, southern Ca doesn't need 0w, and the Yaris isn't supposed to use 0w-20, based on Toyota's TSB...it's the info that matters most to the Toyota dealership

Film strength and viscosity have NOTHING to do with each other. And in fact, there are some 20 weights that provide film longer then heavier oils.

The oil that most resembles K-1 kerosene propbably needs to get to the valve train and cam lobes quicker.

What you fail to understand is that 0w-20 and 5w-20 provide the SAME protection at full operational temperatures. The difference is during the first morning start of the cold day. And if a 5w is fine, then a 0w will be too. This is true according to AMSoil, and Mobil1 and ALL other makes that make 0W oils.

If that's true then Toyota wouldn't make a distinction between the two grades...shove what AMSOIL and what Mobil1 says about 0w-20 because it's NOT what Toyota says about 0w-20 for the Yaris motor (fact)

According to Toyota, 5w-20 can be used safely in a Yaris 1.5L engine.

Yes.

Now, that being true, one can ALSO use 0w-20, 0w-30 too for our Yaris engines, and this according to ALL the makers of 0w oils.

Wrong. One can't say that about any Toyota TSB ever issued for the US Yaris 1.5L...not 0w-20, not 0w-30

5w-20 and 5w-30, and that's the way it'll be until you can fully quote, exactly, a multi-viscosity recommendation of 0w-30 or 0w-20 for the Yaris in a Toyota TSB

It is too bad you behave like you know more about oil then Toyota, AMSoil, and Mobil1.

Show me where Toyota says that "0w-20" is okay to use in the 1.5 Yaris motor on the Toyota TSB...you can't include Toyota with AMSOIL and Mobil1 because they don't agree with Toyota. They list "0w-20" but Toyota TSB will not list "0w-20" for the Yaris 1.5...you drawing your own conclusions isn't good enough for me, I'll stick with Toyota TSB and owner's manual recommendations.