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[daf62757]

I would have to disagree, in part, with you SilverGlow. Government never can do what the private sector can do. With the exception of the military, name one government program that is carried out under budget. Government is the problem. You only have to look at the home mortgage problem to highlight that government took a bad problem and turned it into a national disaster. Same with gas prices. They dictated how gas will be made, wouldn't allow new refineries, and stopped new drilling. The result has been $4 gas prices that, in combination with the home mortgage problem, have almost sunk our economy. Any government program...ANY...has a 180 degree result. It spends more than it planned and never can accomplish its goals and objectives.

[SilverGlow]

Originally Posted by daf62757

I would have to disagree, in part, with you SilverGlow. Government never can do what the private sector can do. With the exception of the military, name one government program that is carried out under budget. Government is the problem. You only have to look at the home mortgage problem to highlight that government took a bad problem and turned it into a national disaster. Same with gas prices. They dictated how gas will be made, wouldn't allow new refineries, and stopped new drilling. The result has been $4 gas prices that, in combination with the home mortgage problem, have almost sunk our economy. Any government program...ANY...has a 180 degree result. It spends more than it planned and never can accomplish its goals and objectives.

And you so willfully refuse to list the private sector F-ups like Enron, Madoff, GM, Ford, Chrysler, and the many other PRIVATE companies that have made really bad mistakes because of greed.

I agree that government should not dictate, but for you to blame it all on the government and not mention the massively bad F-ups the private sector created is plain wrong.

Big Gov is bad, and inefficient. However unregulated private enterprise is just as bad if not worse.

The answer is something in the middle.

And as to this latest mortgage F-up, the blame is 90% private sector companies, and 10% mortgage loan holders (Joe Publict) for agreeing to really stupid loan terms. If the government is to blame, it is to blame for lack of regulations.

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by SilverGlow

And you so willfully refuse to list the private sector F-ups like Enron, Madoff, GM, Ford, Chrysler, and the many other PRIVATE companies that have made really bad mistakes because of greed.

I agree that government should not dictate, but for you to blame it all on the government and not mention the massively bad F-ups the private sector created is plain wrong.

Big Gov is bad, and inefficient. However unregulated private enterprise is just as bad if not worse.

The answer is something in the middle.

And as to this latest mortgage F-up, the blame is 90% private sector companies, and 10% mortgage loan holders (Joe Publict) for agreeing to really stupid loan terms. If the government is to blame, it is to blame for lack of regulations.

I don't think Forf or GM screwed up. The government won't allow new drilling and new refineries so the cost skyrockets and that is what is killing the American automakers. Government regulations only cause people to loose jobs.

You only to look at this latest so called stimulus bill to realize that government is the problem.

[Phaeton]

Are you just here baiting people???
I can't believe anyone that drives a Yaris would be for expanding drilling.

Originally Posted by daf62757

I don't think Forf or GM screwed up. The government won't allow new drilling and new refineries so the cost skyrockets and that is what is killing the American automakers. Government regulations only cause people to loose jobs.

You only to look at this latest so called stimulus bill to realize that government is the problem.

[daf62757]

Originally Posted by Phaeton

Are you just here baiting people???
I can't believe anyone that drives a Yaris would be for expanding drilling.

Baiting? The problem isn't that we don't have enough oil in the world...the problem is that we can't drill to get it. I drive a Yaris because I love the gas mileage and I have to drive from Indy to Chicago every week for work. Its common sense.

Oil...gas...is the oxygen of our economy. You can see how bad our economy is right now and that is, in part, is due to the high gas prices of the past few years. People could only charge for gas so long.

I don't believe in global warming...its a fraud and there is evidence that the world is actually cooling....so I believe that drilling for new oil is vital for the economic security of our county.

[briman]

Originally Posted by SilverGlow

And as to this latest mortgage F-up, the blame is 90% private sector companies, and 10% mortgage loan holders (Joe Publict) for agreeing to really stupid loan terms. If the government is to blame, it is to blame for lack of regulations.

That's not true at all. The latest mortgage calamity was born when government officials headed by an oversight group led by Barny Frank started encouraging banks to loosen up requirements for mortgage loans so families could live a share of "the American dream." Next came balloon mortgages and people making $50,000 a year moving into half a million dollar homes. That couldn't last forever and not everyone is going to get a slice of that American dream and have 2.5 children.

Now it's starting again as cheap interest and reduced loan requirements are being mandated by the government for stimulus money. How getting more Americans in debt for things they can't afford will help the economy is a solution on the government understands.

The government is usually the problem. There are no absolutes. I'm far from uneducated and I'm not that young anymore. My only weakness is internet arguments.

[metalshark]

Russia wants a foot-hold in Iran. We're in countries next door. China wants to go in through an undefended east coast of Africa. They will start by saying its humanitarian aid. When China starts building large air and sea transports watch out. Expect a bio weapon to be launched in Africa that makes the current aids epidemic much more deadly. It may be couched as an aids vaccine but will be historic in "keeping the black man down" six feet under. The march north would be unstoppable without the nuclear solution.