How loud's too loud?

[supmet]

Originally Posted by kimona

If others can hear it, it's too loud. Period.

Um. no. If you would like to apply that theory to car engines, lawnmowers, weed whackers, harleys, children playing in the street, and everything else in the world that makes noise, then ok. I hear all of those in my house, with the windows closed, on a daily basis

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by supmet

Um. no. If you would like to apply that theory to car engines, lawnmowers, weed whackers, harleys, children playing in the street, and everything else in the world that makes noise, then ok. I hear all of those in my house, with the windows closed, on a daily basis

if you can understand the words from outside the vehicle (provided it isn't some jungle-monkey rap that you can't understand to begin with), it's too loud

[kimona]

Originally Posted by supmet

Um. no. If you would like to apply that theory to car engines, lawnmowers, weed whackers, harleys, children playing in the street, and everything else in the world that makes noise, then ok. I hear all of those in my house, with the windows closed, on a daily basis

We are talking about the volume of your music in your car... something you have complete control over.. and a simple situation where one needs to practice some small bit of consideration and respect for others... concepts that are apparently quite foreign to many in this country.

[supmet]

Originally Posted by kimona

We are talking about the volume of your music in your car... something you have complete control over.. and a simple situation where one needs to practice some small bit of consideration and respect for others... concepts that are apparently quite foreign to many in this country.

You have control over buying an aftermarket exhaust - Is everyone here that bought an exhaust inconsiderate? Electric lawnmowers are considerably quieter than gas, and sweeping is quieter and better for the environment than using a blower. Technically a manual mower would be the quietest and least polluting - You have control there too, but you don't respect me enough, so you just use your loud ass gas mower. Children certainly have control over their volume, and its definitely a matter of respect. Don't get me started on harleys.

Please don't vilify stereos, because you choose to let them bother you more than any of the other sounds you are accosted with on a daily basis. I turn my stereo down in neighborhoods, but I'm not going out of my way to keep everyone in the world from hearing it.


In order of frequency, things I get woken up by:

1)harleys
2)kazoo exhausts on cars
3)the marching band at the high school at 6:45 AM
4)lawnmowers at 7 AM
5)loud stereos

[The little red pill]

Originally Posted by supmet

You have control over buying an aftermarket exhaust - Is everyone here that bought an exhaust inconsiderate? Electric lawnmowers are considerably quieter than gas, and sweeping is quieter and better for the environment than using a blower. Technically a manual mower would be the quietest and least polluting - You have control there too, but you don't respect me enough, so you just use your loud ass gas mower. Children certainly have control over their volume, and its definitely a matter of respect. Don't get me started on harleys.

Please don't vilify stereos, because you choose to let them bother you more than any of the other sounds you are accosted with on a daily basis. I turn my stereo down in neighborhoods, but I'm not going out of my way to keep everyone in the world from hearing it.


In order of frequency, things I get woken up by:

1)harleys
2)kazoo exhausts on cars
3)the marching band at the high school at 6:45 AM
4)lawnmowers at 7 AM
5)loud stereos

You're entirely missing the point. Your logic as stated above is that two wrongs make a right. It's inconsiderate to play music excessively loud on one's stereo system to the point it causes other people anguish. Not to mention the damage done to the ears (i.e. when you have Tinnitus in your ears at age 50, you'll understand.)
To address your list: Responsible homeowners have a need to cut grass (they can't spend $$ on a stereo system because they have a family to support and mortgage to pay). Most places don't have laws governing exhaust noise for 2 wheeled motor vehicles. And marching band is a publicly supported and funded activity sponsored by the school district. #2, and #5 are subject to fines and other regulatory action as they are a complete nuisance.

[supmet]

Originally Posted by The little red pill

You're entirely missing the point. Your logic as stated above is that two wrongs make a right. It's inconsiderate to play music excessively loud on one's stereo system to the point it causes other people anguish. Not to mention the damage done to the ears (i.e. when you have Tinnitus in your ears at age 50, you'll understand.)
To address your list: Responsible homeowners have a need to cut grass (they can't spend $$ on a stereo system because they have a family to support and mortgage to pay). Most places don't have laws governing exhaust noise for 2 wheeled motor vehicles. And marching band is a publicly supported and funded activity sponsored by the school district. #2, and #5 are subject to fines and other regulatory action as they are a complete nuisance.

I don't blast my music. I have a fairly crappy system, but I've never experienced anguish from any system. I've sat 2 feet away from 2 13" W7s with 2000 watts, and it was exhilarating, but not painful.

As for the NEED to cut your lawn, that is a want, and an extremely selfish one at that. 1 billion people in the world don't have adequate fresh water. The US is in a water shortage. The fact that you choose to be selfish, and then wake me up on a saturday morning to trim your decoration, is no different then someone playing a stereo.

My only point is that if you can hear it, but its not hurting you, maybe you need to grow a little thicker skin. If its truly causing you pain, or impeding on your happiness, then I can see your point, but neither of those are true if you can just "hear" it.

[The little red pill]

Originally Posted by supmet

I don't blast my music. I have a fairly crappy system, but I've never experienced anguish from any system. I've sat 2 feet away from 2 13" W7s with 2000 watts, and it was exhilarating, but not painful.

As for the NEED to cut your lawn, that is a want, and an extremely selfish one at that. 1 billion people in the world don't have adequate fresh water. The US is in a water shortage. The fact that you choose to be selfish, and then wake me up on a saturday morning to trim your decoration, is no different then someone playing a stereo.

My only point is that if you can hear it, but its not hurting you, maybe you need to grow a little thicker skin. If its truly causing you pain, or impeding on your happiness, then I can see your point, but neither of those are true if you can just "hear" it.

Wow. I never said you "blast" your system. That's why I used the pronoun "one" as in playing "one's" stereo too loud. Take it easy tiger. Talk about "thin" skin.
Also, many cities strictly enforce grass height and will in fact issue a fine if grass is too tall. I fail to see how this relates to water usage. I don't water my lawn but it seems to "magically" grow to the point where it needs to be cut. Amazing!
I think the point most of us are making is for those people that play their music well above necessary levels to hear it. It's a simple matter of respecting your fellow person.

[supmet]

Originally Posted by The little red pill

Wow. I never said you "blast" your system. That's why I used the pronoun "one" as in playing "one's" stereo too loud. Take it easy tiger. Talk about "thin" skin.

I never said you did. I said I don't blast my system as part of the next sentence where I didn't understand the "anguish" caused by another person's system, especially at a stop light. Also - I hate to burst your bubble, but not a single person has successfully actually bothered me over the internet. You and everyone else on the internet are forgotten within seconds of me finishing any given post.

Originally Posted by The little red pill

I fail to see how this relates to water usage.

Because "one" doesn't need a lawn in the first place. "One" chooses to have a lawn which needs tons of fresh water, and requires noise polluting lawn maintenance. Most cities in California, Nevada, and I'm sure other states will give you a check of up to $2000 dollars for changing to low water usage landscaping. Too bad every house of the american dreamer has to have a big green lawn with a white picket fence.

But I don't really want to impede on someone's right to mow their lawn. I'm just saying if being able to hear something that someone else is doing is a sign of disrespect and should be restricted, be fair about it and restrict all loud noises.

[talnlnky]

Originally Posted by supmet

I don't blast my music. I have a fairly crappy system, but I've never experienced anguish from any system. I've sat 2 feet away from 2 13" W7s with 2000 watts, and it was exhilarating, but not painful.

As for the NEED to cut your lawn, that is a want, and an extremely selfish one at that. 1 billion people in the world don't have adequate fresh water. The US is in a water shortage. The fact that you choose to be selfish, and then wake me up on a saturday morning to trim your decoration, is no different then someone playing a stereo.

My only point is that if you can hear it, but its not hurting you, maybe you need to grow a little thicker skin. If its truly causing you pain, or impeding on your happiness, then I can see your point, but neither of those are true if you can just "hear" it.

Ignant post of the week award above.

Dude... it doesn't matter if something YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER does or doesn't give you anguish.... its about the things that you DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER.

Example... your neighbors barking dog @ 11PM, some random wannabe thug blasting dual 12's and 1000watts with all four windows rolled down.

So... Yeah... if you put your head close enough to a W7 to get bruises you prolly won't think its annoying.

Oh.. and for the record.... most people who go around broadcasting their music have crappy stereos... even if they can get loud.


I hate loud stereos, tho I've won a dozen or so sound competitions, and have worked on half a dozen cars that won sound competitions. I love bass, but hate when I'm forced to listen to other peoples bass... I also hate loud diesel trucks, motorcycles, and fart cannon mufflers on every 16-25 year old male jerk-off's car.

I say they all should be regulated.

[supmet]

Originally Posted by talnlnky

I say they all should be regulated.

My only point was that either everything or nothing should be regulated. We live in a society of loud noises - cars(engines, exhausts, horns, squealing brakes), lawnmowers, trucks, bikes, planes, trains, constructions sites, and a thousand other abusive noises. By the time it gets down to other people's music I hardly notice. I just find it funny that most people are so annoyed by something that affects maybe 10 seconds a week of their life, when so much more time is spent dealing with louder more annoying noise, most of which isn't necessary, just convenient.