K&N Filters

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Yes, I've never seen any Yaris owner post about thinking of getting a K&N filter, or just installing one, and asking what kind of savings will they see and how much of a HP gain is it worth ...and never read it here, even on this thread?, where a Yaris owner wrote that they can feel a difference after installing a K&N filter... I don't know why THEY think they can feel the power and expect to see a good savings at the gas pump ...like I stated before, they're a nice sound mod, and you can re-use them :)

Don't remember exactly on the Avalon, sure wasn't a beater; fairly late model (I do rembember that it was OBDII) and appeared to be very well taken care of. Main thing about the Avalon was that the MIL was on, couldn't get above about 55% calculated engine load @ WOT on the datastream, and had fresh oil buildup on the sensor, not the typical gray/tan dry ash coating that I come across.

Don't remember exactly?? Thats not good for your argument. It could have had 200,000 miles on it and he had just got a brand new K&N filter and we blame ALL on the filter and nothing else? It could have been used as a pace car for NASCAR or on some dirt track...or maybe it could have been used as a Cab or a rent car. But I guess it doesn't matter since All evidence points to the K&N

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

Don't remember exactly?? Thats not good for your argument. It could have had 200,000 miles on it and he had just got a brand new K&N filter and we blame ALL on the filter and nothing else? It could have been used as a pace car for NASCAR or on some dirt track...or maybe it could have been used as a Cab or a rent car. But I guess it doesn't matter since All evidence points to the K&N

Nice selective reading. :) That sure was desperate reaching. Wow!

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Nice selective reading. :) That sure was desperate reaching. Wow!

Well someone had to reach since you tried to make a claim and didn't have ANY information to back it up......

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

Well someone had to reach since you tried to make a claim and didn't have ANY information to back it up......

Yeah, let's see who's doing the reaching w/o any info to back it up


Me:

1stToyota
For example: customer with Avalon pulls in with engine performance issue and MIL on, checked code and data stream, needed at least 80% calculated engine load @ WOT, was way below that spec, MAF heated wires and temp probe were gunked up with sludged, cleaned MAF meter and installed WIX filter, cleared code and let customer test drive his car. He couldn't believe the new throttle response and wanted to know what I did...told him I removed his K&N filter that he said was just installed, and they come pre-oiled so if it was over-oiled it was done so at the factory; nothing else could have put that kind of oil build-up in the MAF meter so quickly, other than the non-paper element that was upstream a few inches.

I believed the customer because he was about 70 years old, driving an Avalon, believing the salesman that pushed the K&N filter on him because it'd get him about "10 to 20 percent improvement in fuel economy" ...and I've also seen lots of vehicles with blow-by and PCV problems during the last 26 years, this Avalon showed only signs of fresh, clean sludge build-up on the heated wires, no dirty engine oil anywhere in the air intake.

Don't remember exactly on the Avalon, sure wasn't a beater; fairly late model (I do rembember that it was OBDII) and appeared to be very well taken care of. Main thing about the Avalon was that the MIL was on, couldn't get above about 55% calculated engine load @ WOT on the datastream, and had fresh oil buildup on the sensor, not the typical gray/tan dry ash coating that I come across.

You:

B Hickman11
It could have had 200,000 miles on it and he had just got a brand new K&N filter and we blame ALL on the filter and nothing else? It could have been used as a pace car for NASCAR or on some dirt track...or maybe it could have been used as a Cab or a rent car. But I guess it doesn't matter since All evidence points to the K&N

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

Yeah, let's see who's doing the reaching w/o any info to back it up


Me:



You:

I already said I was the one having to reach since you didn't tell us any information on the car. It have been a 2009 model with 100 miles on it or it could have been a 2000 model with 500,000 miles on it. If it was an older car with more miles on it then there would be a lot more reason why his car was in that condition. If it was a new car with a K&N then your claim might have some backbone to it but since you can't remember, then your claim is useless.

[1stToyota]

Originally Posted by b_hickman11

I already said I was the one having to reach since you didn't tell us any information on the car. It have been a 2009 model with 100 miles on it or it could have been a 2000 model with 500,000 miles on it. If it was an older car with more miles on it then there would be a lot more reason why his car was in that condition. If it was a new car with a K&N then your claim might have some backbone to it but since you can't remember, then your claim is useless.

You didn't need to reach, just read what was written. I listed the condition of the car, described the owner, said that there was no engine oil depoits anywhere in the air intake system, that the deposit looked like fresh oil, not the ash deposit I normally see, etc...listed all that, probably why you snipped it again. Stay with the 3%, I'll stick with the other 97%...it's just what you need for your extremely dusty conditions. A UOA might just discover that your over-cleansed K&N is "useless"

[Zaphod]

While undoubtedly true, I wouldn't put too much weight on the percentages you're using, as most people simply don't change their own oil.

To apply a little common sense, if they're not changing their own oil, they're not changing their air filter either. And the people changing it for them aren't going to suggest switching to K&N filters because the time involved with cleaning them would be counter productive.

It's just about money with a consumable like that in this throwaway society. What do they charge you for that, 15$ a filter? And what does that filter cost them, $7? It's all part of the profit margin for the company changing the oil/air filter, not that I have anything against their profit margin.

My point is that those percentages are probably a bit off because the largest percentage of buyers of air filters are service shops.

Myself, I'm going to use a K&N filter for the Yaris as I already use one for the Harley. I've already got the oil for the filters, so it's just one less thing I have to buy when I perform my vehicle maintenance.

[b_hickman11]

Originally Posted by 1stToyota

You didn't need to reach, just read what was written. I listed the condition of the car, described the owner, said that there was no engine oil depoits anywhere in the air intake system, that the deposit looked like fresh oil, not the ash deposit I normally see, etc...listed all that, probably why you snipped it again. Stay with the 3%, I'll stick with the other 97%...it's just what you need for your extremely dusty conditions. A UOA might just discover that your over-cleansed K&N is "useless"

When you go to a dealer or any other shop for any type of service what is the first thing that they always ask??? They always ask how many miles are on it. So I don't care if you found Bin Laden in the air box, how many miles that are on this car or any other car that is having problems is very important.