WHAT HAVE we gotten ourselves into?

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by roxy1

"i dont have all the facts....but the police acted stupidly"...way to move this country beyond race by taking sides in this, BO.

Mr. Obama has the right to speak his mind. Dr. Gates is one of his personal friends. It's pretty damn outrageous to be arrested for breaking into one's own personal home.

That all being said, the Police Officer's black partner claimed the Dr. Gates "behaved oddly" and refused to produce ID. In Massachusetts and certainly in many urban locales refusing to produce ID will get your arrested. Cambridge Mass is not Mayberry RFD.

I think Mr. Obama should have been more patient, offered his legal and personal support to his friend informally, and did not "take sides".

I understand how successful black folks can be "touchy". I have a black coworker who flies off the handle any time he suspects "Disrespect". He does know what he's doing and I enjoy working with him except when he snaps. I wish he'd knock off the overcompensation but I do not know how many times in his life he's been patronized, talked down to, referred to behind his back as a "token" and so on.

If Mr. Obama was speaking for this point of view I can sympathize with him, though he needs to exercise some discipline.

Gene

[cali yaris]

Gene,

We've all experienced Bush's inability to form intelligent and/or complete sentences. I simply do not see how that man got an MBA from Harvard without an extraordinary amount of outside help or influence (either monetary, or something like tutoring/coaching/editing/etc).

To make the case, as you seem to want to make, that he earned it fairly through hard work is I think, problematic at best.

This point addresses the MBA only, not leadership, political prowess, good or bad job while in office, etc.

[JBougie]

I think they are both an insult to politics.

Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves right now at the amazing failure we have created. We can all chalk that up to the lazy, entitlement society we have become. It's disgusting.

[cali yaris]

^ and that the population isn't proactive to create something better.

Our founding fathers would be mad at US, not the politicians.

I'll bet VERY few on here have done ANYTHING but complain about "how bad it is". I'm embarrassed to admit that includes me. I write letters and the occasional check -- LAME.

[SailDesign]

Originally Posted by JBougie

I think they are both an insult to politics.

Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves right now at the amazing failure we have created. We can all chalk that up to the lazy, entitlement society we have become. It's disgusting.

I think we can chalk it up to the fact that beng good at getting elected does not translate into being a good leader, any more than having a good pitching style does.
I've said it before, and I know I'll say it again, but anyone who WANTS to be President is automatically the wrong man for the job....

[Malaya1221]

....I'm not a hooligan
I rock the party and
Clear all the madness, I'm not a racist
Preach to teach to all
'Cause some they never had this
Number one, not born to run
About the gun
I wasn't licensed to have one
The minute they see me, fear me
I'm the epitome-a public enemy
Used, abused, without clues
I refused to blow a fuse
They even had it on the news
Don't believe the hype

[GeneW]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

Gene,

We've all experienced Bush's inability to form intelligent and/or complete sentences. I simply do not see how that man got an MBA from Harvard without an extraordinary amount of outside help or influence (either monetary, or something like tutoring/coaching/editing/etc).

To make the case, as you seem to want to make, that he earned it fairly through hard work is I think, problematic at best.

This point addresses the MBA only, not leadership, political prowess, good or bad job while in office, etc.

I talk a lot like Bush, and a lot like this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZtL7sSZqhs

Being articulate does not make you intelligent nor vice versa. One of the most Intelligent people I ever met, who worked on the guidance systems for the MX Missile, was a from a steel town in northern PA and sounded almost retarded. Earned a MS in Applied Math in a "3 plus 2" program at CMU.

I've seen Bush in "intimate" interviews. He does not bang up words too often when he's talking "one on one". I would not be remotely surprised if he does that on purpose, to appeal to many folks who also bang up words, by making his public appearnces into burlesques.

I don't stick up for Bush as much as I refute the idea that the "Progressives" have some sort of "alternative". I think both camps are pretty reprehensible people when they get total control of things.

Gene

[SailDesign]

Here's a nice look at 100 years of Presidential first pitches - from the English press - to compare pitching style (or lack thereof...)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pict...ball-game.html

[gokartride]

Bush did own a baseball team.

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by gokartride

Bush did own a baseball team.

and lots of people own corvettes.. doesn't mean they can drive them ;)

[yaris-me]

OK, Presidents make lousy pitchers.

[JBougie]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

^ and that the population isn't proactive to create something better.

Our founding fathers would be mad at US, not the politicians.

I'll bet VERY few on here have done ANYTHING but complain about "how bad it is". I'm embarrassed to admit that includes me. I write letters and the occasional check -- LAME.

I, proudly, DO try to make it better. I am EXTREMELY active with my party - but there are too many people who aren't. That's becuase they are lazy and would rather have the government take care of them 110%.

[RHDVIPbB]

Originally Posted by Tamago

and lots of people own corvettes.. doesn't mean they can drive them ;)

So true in too many ways. I hate them around my area of town. They always go under the speed limit.

[JBougie]

Originally Posted by RHDVIPbB

So true in too many ways. I hate them around my area of town. They always go under the speed limit.

How is that even possible?! haha I am pretty sure the state of Minnesota would pull my license from my purse themselves if I had one, I'm pretty sure I would get at least 1 speeding ticket a week