Invasive creature or standard feature? Small cars and VSC, ABS, and traction control

[silver_echo]

that is part of a new law coming down the pipe... within a few years, you will not be able to buy any new car without abs, trac, and some form of stability. the big issue that i have with this new law, is that you will not be able to turn any of it off... i am getting tired of seeing people driving with all these features and thinking that they are gods gift to driving, but when they try to drive without them, oops, time for a new car... it is getting to the point where we are no longer going to have the appropriate connection to the road where drivers who know what they are doing use those sensations... i can only see this going downhill, and the govt will never back off of these "safety" features, even when people start killing each other because we no longer know the true limits of our cars...

[gokartride]

Originally Posted by silver_echo

that is part of a new law coming down the pipe... within a few years, you will not be able to buy any new car without abs, trac, and some form of stability. the big issue that i have with this new law, is that you will not be able to turn any of it off...

Extremely valid points you make and yet, given the documented safety benefit, how could they not make it standard? Not there isn't a down side...but in the end it'd be hard for the gov to ignore possible safety improvement at moderate cost.

[silver_echo]

Originally Posted by gokartride

Extremely valid points you make and yet, given the documented safety benefit, how could they not make it standard? Not there isn't a down side...but in the end it'd be hard for the gov to ignore possible safety improvement at moderate cost.

you ever used a car with abs in snow? when you have a car in snow/ice that has abs, you quickly learn the term anything but stop... but abs is not my peeve with this... it is the trac and stability spidered into it... i can readily understand the need for abs, as it lets you steer... but trac and stability have their places, and there are times when you need to be able to turn them off(i.e. a dyno for tuning, some emissions testing locations)...

[silver_echo]

Originally Posted by PK198105

driving in slush...try getting out of a slush filled parking lot when the TC is always on and you are moving about 0.5km/h, at one point it will just stay on and no wheel will move, happened to me in our brand spanking new Mercedes Sprinter with Active Drive, had to take out the fuse for the rest of the day in order to get any work done

see, here is a time when it needed to be turned off, and left off... you just made my point pavel... thank you

[silver_echo]

in a way i can understand that people need things like this to learn/if they are not the best driver... but if they actually know what they are doing, most of these "safety" features just become a problem...

[gokartride]

Originally Posted by silver_echo

you ever used a car with abs in snow?

Nope...snow is no issue around here. I could turn traction control off on my last car but never did....it never kicked in either. It was kinda irrelevant in my own case.

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by PK198105

driving in slush...try getting out of a slush filled parking lot when the TC is always on and you are moving about 0.5km/h, at one point it will just stay on and no wheel will move, happened to me in our brand spanking new Mercedes Sprinter with Active Drive, had to take out the fuse for the rest of the day in order to get any work done

I don't mind the safety features like so long as they let you turn them off, like air bags on the passenger side of a single cab truck.

I do agree though, that a lot of new drivers never learn to do much more than mash their pedals.