Serious Autocrossers?

[mikenacarato]

well they classed me with all of that...so im in the right class as far as im concerned. there was a day when a regional technician (i guess thats what you would call him) came to one of our events and was classing the members. He looked at everything and even noted i didnt have an airbag and put me in FSP. he did mention something about since the bars were not welded in and were removeable, i could be in this class. im not going to argue with him.

[Yaris-x]

I Have worked in sales at a toyota dealer for 2.5 years and the TRD Rear sway bar is able to be installed by toyota pre-dealer (Port installed) Lowering springs are only Dealer installed or I would have them too. I can produce the production codes if you don't believe me. The rule book specifically says Port installed options are the same as Factory installed options.

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by Yaris-x

I Have worked in sales at a toyota dealer for 2.5 years and the TRD Rear sway bar is able to be installed by toyota pre-dealer (Port installed) Lowering springs are only Dealer installed or I would have them too. I can produce the production codes if you don't believe me. The rule book specifically says Port installed options are the same as Factory installed options.

i think you better start producing these rules from the SCCA 2009 rule book then

[Tamago]

Originally Posted by mikenacarato

well they classed me with all of that...so im in the right class as far as im concerned. there was a day when a regional technician (i guess thats what you would call him) came to one of our events and was classing the members. He looked at everything and even noted i didnt have an airbag and put me in FSP. he did mention something about since the bars were not welded in and were removeable, i could be in this class. im not going to argue with him.

what's beating you in FSP ?

[Yaris-x]

TRD Rear sway bar Production code HR

2009 SCCA SOLO Rules
12.4 STANDARD PART
An item of standard or optional equipment that could have been
ordered with the car, installed on the factory production line, and
delivered through a dealer in the United States. Port-installed options
provided by the factory are considered to be the same as
those installed on the factory production line. Dealer-installed options
or deletions (except as required by factory directives), no matter
how common or what their origin, are not included in this definition.
This definition does not allow the updating or backdating of parts.

[ozmdd]

Originally Posted by Yaris-x

TRD Rear sway bar Production code HR

2009 SCCA SOLO Rules
12.4 STANDARD PART
An item of standard or optional equipment that could have been
ordered with the car, installed on the factory production line, and
delivered through a dealer in the United States. Port-installed options
provided by the factory are considered to be the same as
those installed on the factory production line. Dealer-installed options
or deletions (except as required by factory directives), no matter
how common or what their origin, are not included in this definition.
This definition does not allow the updating or backdating of parts.

You just made my point. There is no factory-provided part here. Again, read the quote in blue in the above post. There is no such thing as a factory-installed rear sway bar on a US Yaris. The rule you quote clearly states that a factory-available part can ALSO be installed at the port instead of the actual factory and still be considered "standard."

[Jason@SportsCar]

Originally Posted by ozmdd

You just made my point. There is no factory-provided part here. Again, read the quote in blue in the above post. There is no such thing as a factory-installed rear sway bar on a US Yaris. The rule you quote clearly states that a factory-available part can ALSO be installed at the port instead of the actual factory and still be considered "standard."

While you may have good intentions you are incorrect with your interpretation of the rule. 12.4 specifically allows Port Installed options, and treats them exactly the same as assembly line parts. This is regardless of if the part was ever available on the factory assembly line, or if one was ever built at the factory.

There are a number of examples of 12.4 in active competition on the national level, and a great example of this allowance in Appendix F. Aside from the Subi clarification, there is the Shelby Mustang and Camaro SS, both built off site and stock legal. Many of the top Toyota MR2s in ES are hand built cars. The top guys have taken advantage of documentation that shows a hardtop, non-power steering ABS equipped MR2 option. There is zero evidence of one ever being built by the factory, or port, but because it was an option people have built them. The Mazda MX-5 MS-R is Port only built car, never done on the assembly line.

I as an tell you as a past member of the Solo Events Board, and having sat on number protest committees, that the Port is considered the same as the factory for SCCA Solo purposes. However, dealer installed items, even those that could be ordered from the manufacturer are not legal. Toyota, Scion and others have made it difficult for some people to figure out which ones are which, but if you do your homework you will not have an issue.

12 Automotive Definitions:
12.4 STANDARD PART
An item of standard or optional equipment that could have been
ordered with the car, installed on the factory production line, and
delivered through a dealer in the United States. Port-installed options
provided by the factory are considered to be the same as
those installed on the factory production line. Dealer-installed options
or deletions (except as required by factory directives), no matter
how common or what their origin, are not included in this definition.
This definition does not allow the updating or backdating of parts.

Appendix F:
SUBARU WRX OPTIONS
The following items are port-installed options on the Subaru WRX,
are listed when installed on the vehicle’s window sticker, and
pending evidence to the contrary are considered legal: carbon fiber
trim, turbo boost gauge, titanium shift knob, short throw shifter, rear
diff protector, spoilers, arm rest extension.