Toyota...We're Number....Two???

[DevilGirl]

WOW!!!! There sure is a lot of hate here on this group for VW. Personally, I like the VW. Not sure what kind of cars either yourselves or friends/family are driving. My boyfriend has 2 VWs. A 2002 Golf TDI and a 2009 Jetta Sportwagen TDI. The 2002 was bought last December at 175,000 miles. The only major issue he has had for which the car was down for any length of time was a blown turbo. But at 195k (when it happend), something is bound to happen to it. Other than that, just normal maintenance (oil changes, tires, brakes, air filters, etc).

The main reason I like VW is that they are the only car company that offers an even remotely affordable diesel car in the US. BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc., they are all waaaaaaaaay too expensive. And, to the best of my knownledge, there are no other diesel cars made available here in the US. Just large trucks/SUVs. A 2009 TDI (Jetta/Jetta Sportwagen) ran somewhere around $24000 (depending upon which options you choose). My boyfriend got his Sportwagen (with power panoramic sunroof, iPod adapter, and various other features) for $20k out the door (C-f-C, and only $1000 down).

If Toyota, Nissan, Ford, Chrysler, or whoever else, started offering diesel vehicles other than large trucks/SUVs in the US that were affordable, I'd probably go with one of those as well. But where there is little that is offered in a particular market, of course those types are gonna sell a lot.

[Yaris Hilton]

If the Yaris had been available here with the 1.4L turbodiesel, I'd be driving one.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by Yaris Hilton

If the Yaris had been available here with the 1.4L turbodiesel, I'd be driving one.

Yeah me too. Well I wouldnt have bought a Yaris Diesel but in 2000 my ECHO would have had it. Lucky for me because thats a losing proposition. Youd never recoup your initial purchase price given the price of diesel vs gas. Theyed probably want $20k for a Yaris diesel. Its just like buying a Prius. With a Prius you give the money (maybe three times the money) you would have given to Exxon to Toyota. The car is an engineering and ecomonic fraud.
The best we could do is the 1 liter gas engine. I think if it gets better mileage.

[fmicle]

Originally Posted by bronsin

The car is an engineering and ecomonic fraud.

I disagree. The car delivers on its promise, where is the fraud? You know the price, you get the advertised mpg, where's the problem?

It all depends on how much you're driving, it's simple math, let me give you an example. I'm going to compare the Prius at 50 mpg with a car that gives you, say, 25 mpg, which costs, say $5k less than the Prius.

At 20k miles a year, the Prius will need 400 gallons vs. 800 for our hypothetical car. That's 400 gallons x $2.50 a gallon = $1,000 a year in savings. So after 5 years you break even on your investment and anything after that is pure savings into your pocket.

At 30k miles a year you break even after 3.3 years.
At 40k miles a year you break even after 2.5 years.

There is no fraud, you just need to do the math and see if it makes sense for you. Since I'm driving less than 10k miles a year, I wouldn't consider it. But it's just math, no emotions/politics...

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by DevilGirl

WOW!!!! There sure is a lot of hate here on this group for VW.
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No hate here just the facts. VW makes a defect prone car. Once they made defective ignition modules that failed. There were so many of them they couldnt make new ignition modules fast enough to replace them all. (you have to wonder why they couldnt) Nothing could be adapted to fit. So some folks waited MONTHS with an undrivable car. NEVER NEVER NEVER wil I buy a VW.

[DevilGirl]

Originally Posted by bronsin

No hate here just the facts. VW makes a defect prone car. Once they made defective ignition modules that failed. There were so many of them they couldnt make new ignition modules fast enough to replace them all. (you have to wonder why they couldnt) Nothing could be adapted to fit. So some folks waited MONTHS with an undrivable car. NEVER NEVER NEVER wil I buy a VW.

TDI or non-TDI? There is actually significant difference between the two. I will never touch a non-diesel VW.

1. They eat fuel like crazy.
2. Don't hold up as well.

There have been a few times over the years where a part was faulty (I can specifically name the 05.5-06.5 years of the Jetta had a faulty dual mass flywheel. This was due to switching manufacturers. Those issues have since been fixed.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by DevilGirl

TDI or non-TDI? There is actually significant difference between the two. I will never touch a non-diesel VW.

1. They eat fuel like crazy.
2. Don't hold up as well.

There have been a few times over the years where a part was faulty (I can specifically name the 05.5-06.5 years of the Jetta had a faulty dual mass flywheel. This was due to switching manufacturers. Those issues have since been fixed.

Yes gas. I owned a 240D back when gas was $1 a gallon and diesel 79 cents. Diesels arent cost effective any more. Youll never get the money you spent extra for them back. SEE PRIUS.

[DevilGirl]

Originally Posted by bronsin

Yes gas. I owned a 240D back when gas was $1 a gallon and diesel 79 cents. Diesels arent cost effective any more. Youll never get the money you spent extra for them back. SEE PRIUS.

Desired torque + HP + fuel economy = diesel FTW

The only way a gas car becomes cost effective is to have it have less torque and HP. Whereas diesel sacrificies very little in terms of torque and HP to have the fuel economy.

[thebarber]

Originally Posted by bronsin

No hate here just the facts. VW makes a defect prone car. Once they made defective ignition modules that failed. There were so many of them they couldnt make new ignition modules fast enough to replace them all. (you have to wonder why they couldnt) Nothing could be adapted to fit. So some folks waited MONTHS with an undrivable car. NEVER NEVER NEVER wil I buy a VW.

as opposed to the yaris w/ the flammable sound deadening, the camry's w/ the recalled transmissions, and the matrix w/ its breaking drivers window and junk clutches

ya, vw sucks...

[SilverGlow]

Originally Posted by thebarber

as opposed to the yaris w/ the flammable sound deadening, the camry's w/ the recalled transmissions, and the matrix w/ its breaking drivers window and junk clutches

ya, vw sucks...

The problems you listed for Toyota cars is not even 1/100th of the problems found with VW's.

You are right....ya, VW sucks!!!