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derickveliz2 · 08-15-2010, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by changchewsoon

the head unit looks wicked!

Thank's it is wicked cool all what it does with sound!

derickveliz2 · 08-15-2010, 02:27 PM

Last night did some more wiring for the tweeters.

I played with all 3 tweeters been the JBL the best and loudest and the Premier the softest and less harsh, the Zeus tweeters fell off right in the middle.

I may just go with the Zeus for now, I know I can set it up to sound the way I like it. The JBL are so good but big, ugly and old. And the premiers are too small.

BTW the sound clarity was very similar on all 3 tweeters and the overall sound of all 4 channels (sub, low, mid, high) together is amazing. Now I have to do some more wiring and start working on the A-Pillars installation.

FcukThis · 08-15-2010, 03:41 PM

just mold the h70's into the pillars and wrap them up!

derickveliz2 · 08-16-2010, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FcukThis

just mold the h70's into the pillars and wrap them up!

Yes, that's what I would like to do.

Doesn't sounds easy for a newbie, though

sqcomp · 08-15-2010, 04:36 PM

He says JUST mold them into the pillars...

You're such an instigator sometimes. :)

It'll take a good while to fab up and make look proper. I'll offer this as well, look at placing the mids down by the kicks. Do a test with them facing 45 degrees off axis to you in the little kick panels down there. You SHOULD get the audible illusion that they're at ear level on your dash...

How about that for a teaser?

What were the crossover points, slopes, and levels you used on the tweeters? How's the center image with the mids?

AAK! I know it's just me...but that storage pocket on the mounting kit is making my clench my jaw. Are you going to do anything with it, like put a scan gauge piece there?

derickveliz2 · 08-16-2010, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

look at placing the mids down by the kicks. Do a test with them facing 45 degrees off axis to you in the little kick panels down there. You SHOULD get the audible illusion that they're at ear level on your dash...

What were the crossover points, slopes, and levels you used on the tweeters? How's the center image with the mids?

AAK! I know it's just me...but that storage pocket on the mounting kit is making my clench my jaw. Are you going to do anything with it, like put a scan gauge piece there?

I rather not moving the mids down there, but will keep in mind as plan B

This is how far I've been playing with crossover points and slopes; all levels are at +/- 0

Center image (the person who is singing) is some where in front of me like 2 or 3 degrees to the left and 1 down. The TA on the graph above show how I have them just by ear. Honestly it's hard for me to know what I'm looking for, so far my good will has been where "Sounds Better" I mean awesome. But I'm sure my settings are all wrong so I'm hopping you can point me in a direction. I wish I had other SQ guys around here to listen to their systems.

So far sounds amazing and some songs that I just skipped last week just because didn't sound good, now I'm listening because they sound really good.

The storage pocket... mmm I don't like it either but for now I'm just going to use it as a sale point for my wife and tell her, "see and I even made more storage" jeje.

we'll see what happens later.

derickveliz2 · 08-17-2010, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

How's the center image with the mids?

Mmm, I've been playing with crossover points & TA and now I know how to move the center image left and right, isn't that cool!

Where is your sweet spot? teach me please.

.

FcukThis · 08-16-2010, 02:28 AM

Just a suggestion... :]

It really depends how far you want to go with your install. And whether or not you're comfortable with fabbing. Sure it takes a patience and practice, but once you learn how to do it--it really isn't hard.

I mean you could always use pvc cups like me. Took me 20 minutes to mount them.

Check out the diy mobile audio forums-- They got tons of build logs archived. A good way to get some ideas sparkin'.

Here's a link to the build log sub-forum-
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/diyma-build-logs

derickveliz2 · 08-16-2010, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FcukThis

Just a suggestion... :]

It really depends how far you want to go with your install. And whether or not you're comfortable with fabbing. Sure it takes a patience and practice, but once you learn how to do it--it really isn't hard.

I mean you could always use pvc cups like me. Took me 20 minutes to mount them.

Check out the diy mobile audio forums-- They got tons of build logs archived. A good way to get some ideas sparkin'.

Here's a link to the build log sub-forum-
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/diyma-build-logs

I'm sure I would get some thing done, I've looking around other installs, and practice is what I need and don't have, I've been digging DIYmobileoudio for a while now trying to get ideas, it's a matter of time and choices.

Which one is your thread?

Thanks

D.

derickveliz2 · 08-16-2010, 02:41 PM

I forgot to mention that I love to feel the Bass in my chest and hair, even if I lean forward away from the seat!

In my previews install when leaning away from the seat some of the Bass feeling was lost, I guess the seats where shaking since the Solo-Barics where facing the rear of the seats.

I just came back from lunch and another example of a song that I played last week and didn't like was Waka_Waka_(The_Official_2010_FIFA_World_Cup) but today sounded really good.

It's amazing how tweaking here and there makes such a big difference.

sqcomp · 08-18-2010, 01:13 AM

My center image? It's straight on the center of the top of the instrument cluster...depending on the recording...but the channel imaging vocal on the IASCA disc is solidly on top of the dash above the dash cover & cluster.

Crossover points are going to help with the depth...

derickveliz2 · 08-18-2010, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sqcomp

My center image? It's straight on the center of the top of the instrument cluster...depending on the recording...but the channel imaging vocal on the IASCA disc is solidly on top of the dash above the dash cover & cluster.

Crossover points are going to help with the depth...

Ok, got it I'll move it there tomorrow, where can I learn more about IASCA disk and competitions, rules or how your system is tested and judge? not that I'm going to compete "no way" but would like to know what every body is trying to accomplish with their sound systems.

About the Crossover points, are there any rules or guides? what to do or what not to do, I know I'm asking too much and everything is relative to components, alignment etc. I've been playing with all these features and it's amazing all the tuning and control that the HU provides.

Probably I'm going to fast, I still need to build my crazy ideas mounting the mids and tweeters on the A-pillars, for now I can only say thank you to all the people who has posted here and help me with my install, all this is a learning process so keep them coming.

Thank you,
Derick

Herbicidal · 08-18-2010, 01:39 PM

Not to take this thread off topic, but I'm curious on what I would look for in a new HU that would allow for all the "sound stage adjustments" you're playing with? Do these tend to fall into the "high end" category?

I would like to take full advantage of the sound deadening and audio components I have installed to date. At the moment, only my HU is still stock. Just thinking a bit about the future and to start saving some $$$'s... Thanks!

derickveliz2 · 08-18-2010, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Herbicidal

Not to take this thread off topic, but I'm curious on what I would look for in a new HU that would allow for all the "sound stage adjustments" you're playing with? Do these tend to fall into the "high end" category?

I would like to take full advantage of the sound deadening and audio components I have installed to date. At the moment, only my HU is still stock. Just thinking a bit about the future and to start saving some $$$'s... Thanks!

Think no more, P-99 it's one of a kind! and don't worry you are not going off topic here, this is what it's all about, Sound system upgrade and deadening... and you will need to run at least 3 amps and 4 different kind of speakers ... a Subwoofer, a 6.5" midbass, a 3" or 4" midrange and a pair of tweeters. And give up your rear speakers!

LINK to a $1,200 future investment!

Herbicidal · 08-18-2010, 02:32 PM

HOLY SMOKES!!! OK, I can't honestly justify that baby for my car! That is a SWEET HU though. Thanks for the info.

sqcomp · 08-18-2010, 11:59 PM

Herb...

Look at the JBL MS-8 or the Audison Bit One if you want flexibility and tuning options. They're going to be about half as much as the P99RS.

Now...if you want the big brother to the P99RS:

This one puts the P99RS (and the P-01) on the lower shelf.

derickveliz2 · 08-19-2010, 12:39 PM

That looks retro-cool! I bet it's a beast for SQ, if the P-99 its amazing I would be looking forward on his big brother.

BTW my old head unit DEH-P835R-W (10 years old, the best in class back then) in junction with EQ-6500 are no way near the sound quality the P-99 provides. It's amazing how technology moves forward in a decade.

Last night I started a crazy idea!!! crazy because it's unusual, new to most of us, just like deadening a car with MLV as a noise barrier and only applying Mat to 25% of the metal surface to control panel resonance... This new concept or idea it's called...

Diffractions

PS....
My boss just called me... BAD NEWS....

yeah that's right they are letting me go )o: I guess I'm going to spend more time with my family now and have some more time to work on my car... (thinking positive)

I'll post pictures of what I did last night! about this crazy idea, and if you would like to read more about diffractions... follow this LINK

Derick
.

sickpuppy1 · 08-19-2010, 01:07 PM

Holy crap, what bad news!!! Hope you get something soon! real soon.....

08-15-2010, 04:36 PM	#5
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	He says JUST mold them into the pillars... You're such an instigator sometimes. :) It'll take a good while to fab up and make look proper. I'll offer this as well, look at placing the mids down by the kicks. Do a test with them facing 45 degrees off axis to you in the little kick panels down there. You SHOULD get the audible illusion that they're at ear level on your dash... How about that for a teaser? What were the crossover points, slopes, and levels you used on the tweeters? How's the center image with the mids? AAK! I know it's just me...but that storage pocket on the mounting kit is making my clench my jaw. Are you going to do anything with it, like put a scan gauge piece there? __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

08-18-2010, 01:13 AM	#11
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	My center image? It's straight on the center of the top of the instrument cluster...depending on the recording...but the channel imaging vocal on the IASCA disc is solidly on top of the dash above the dash cover & cluster. Crossover points are going to help with the depth... __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

08-18-2010, 01:39 PM	#13
Herbicidal Just a Herbicidal maniac. View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Yaris S Sedan Flint Mica Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Roseville, CA - USA. Posts: 450	Not to take this thread off topic, but I'm curious on what I would look for in a new HU that would allow for all the "sound stage adjustments" you're playing with? Do these tend to fall into the "high end" category? I would like to take full advantage of the sound deadening and audio components I have installed to date. At the moment, only my HU is still stock. Just thinking a bit about the future and to start saving some $$$'s... Thanks! __________________ 2008 Toyota Yaris (Vios) 'S' sedan, Flint Mica, dropped on TRD springs, TRD anti-sway bar. Tinted rear windows. Lenso Samurai SC02 hyper black 17" x 7" rims, wrapped in 205x40x17 Federal ss595's. Color matched eyelids. Vios badge. Body color trunk trim (was chrome). Lamin-X tint on rear tails. Custom center exit exhaust. Tanabe front strut tower brace.

08-18-2010, 02:32 PM	#15
Herbicidal Just a Herbicidal maniac. View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Yaris S Sedan Flint Mica Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Roseville, CA - USA. Posts: 450	HOLY SMOKES!!! OK, I can't honestly justify that baby for my car! That is a SWEET HU though. Thanks for the info. __________________ 2008 Toyota Yaris (Vios) 'S' sedan, Flint Mica, dropped on TRD springs, TRD anti-sway bar. Tinted rear windows. Lenso Samurai SC02 hyper black 17" x 7" rims, wrapped in 205x40x17 Federal ss595's. Color matched eyelids. Vios badge. Body color trunk trim (was chrome). Lamin-X tint on rear tails. Custom center exit exhaust. Tanabe front strut tower brace.

08-18-2010, 11:59 PM	#16
sqcomp Roadrunner Jr. View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Yaris S Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Back at home Posts: 2,609	Herb... Look at the JBL MS-8 or the Audison Bit One if you want flexibility and tuning options. They're going to be about half as much as the P99RS. Now...if you want the big brother to the P99RS: This one puts the P99RS (and the P-01) on the lower shelf. __________________ “To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” ― Thomas Paine

08-15-2010, 02:27 PM	#2
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	Last night did some more wiring for the tweeters. I played with all 3 tweeters been the JBL the best and loudest and the Premier the softest and less harsh, the Zeus tweeters fell off right in the middle. I may just go with the Zeus for now, I know I can set it up to sound the way I like it. The JBL are so good but big, ugly and old. And the premiers are too small. BTW the sound clarity was very similar on all 3 tweeters and the overall sound of all 4 channels (sub, low, mid, high) together is amazing. Now I have to do some more wiring and start working on the A-Pillars installation.

08-15-2010, 03:41 PM	#3
FcukThis Drives: yaris Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: seattle Posts: 125	just mold the h70's into the pillars and wrap them up!

08-16-2010, 02:28 AM	#8
FcukThis Drives: yaris Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: seattle Posts: 125	Just a suggestion... :] It really depends how far you want to go with your install. And whether or not you're comfortable with fabbing. Sure it takes a patience and practice, but once you learn how to do it--it really isn't hard. I mean you could always use pvc cups like me. Took me 20 minutes to mount them. Check out the diy mobile audio forums-- They got tons of build logs archived. A good way to get some ideas sparkin'. Here's a link to the build log sub-forum- http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/diyma-build-logs

08-16-2010, 02:41 PM	#10
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	I forgot to mention that I love to feel the Bass in my chest and hair, even if I lean forward away from the seat! In my previews install when leaning away from the seat some of the Bass feeling was lost, I guess the seats where shaking since the Solo-Barics where facing the rear of the seats. I just came back from lunch and another example of a song that I played last week and didn't like was Waka_Waka_(The_Official_2010_FIFA_World_Cup) but today sounded really good. It's amazing how tweaking here and there makes such a big difference.

08-19-2010, 12:39 PM	#17
derickveliz2 View User's Garage Drives: Yaris Sedan "S" Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Central, MA Posts: 2,722	That looks retro-cool! I bet it's a beast for SQ, if the P-99 its amazing I would be looking forward on his big brother. BTW my old head unit DEH-P835R-W (10 years old, the best in class back then) in junction with EQ-6500 are no way near the sound quality the P-99 provides. It's amazing how technology moves forward in a decade. Last night I started a crazy idea!!! crazy because it's unusual, new to most of us, just like deadening a car with MLV as a noise barrier and only applying Mat to 25% of the metal surface to control panel resonance... This new concept or idea it's called... Diffractions PS.... My boss just called me... BAD NEWS.... yeah that's right they are letting me go )o: I guess I'm going to spend more time with my family now and have some more time to work on my car... (thinking positive) I'll post pictures of what I did last night! about this crazy idea, and if you would like to read more about diffractions... follow this LINK Derick .

08-19-2010, 01:07 PM	#18
sickpuppy1 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kansas Posts: 871	Holy crap, what bad news!!! Hope you get something soon! real soon..... __________________

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