Shifting without the clutch

[SAV912]

Originally Posted by ddongbap

Ok, so say I'm at 60 mph. I know that third gear falls around 4kish rpm. If I revved to 5, and pushed the gear into third and waited for the revs to drop till 4. Then thrid gear would take it. Is that still bad?

I understand how that'll be bad for the gears it self, but wouldn't that take the work off of the syncros?

Btw, idk what the other guys problem was. I just wanted an answer like this.

If you rev'd to 5K and tried shoving it into gear (because it wouldn't just slot right in), it wouldn't go in unless you forced it. If you succeed in forcing it, that's where the wear on your synchros and gear grinding comes in. Hence why the people above mentioned why you have to be absolutely spot on with your rev-matching.

Now if you know that 60 mph is about 4K in 3rd gear (I wouldn't know for sure, my Yaris doesn't have a tach) and held the car at exactly this engine speed in neutral with the gas pedal, then yes. The gear lever should slot right into 3rd gear with no problem. This action of being correct is not really a problem. It's much easier to upshift without the clutch than it is to downshift. It's the fact that every single human being will eventually blip the throttle wrong, mis-shift and force it in, causing excess wear on the synchros since the gear speed and output shaft speed are not correctly matched. Forcing it all the way in will just get gears grinding, just as what happens when missing a shift like we all did once upon a time when we were noob stickshift drivers.

Bottom line, you can try it and you can even become good at it. But that doesn't change the fact that our cars come with clutch pedals for a reason.

-SAV