Debunking fuel conservation myths...

[PhotoDu.de]

This is a blog post off a business news website. It's some guys opinion and not an objective look that the subject.
If oil is abiotic what evidence is there that it is being make enough to sustain current/future demand?
Even if we have an unlimited supply of oil, we have to deal with the carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases made from burning petroleum products.
Finally, why would a company hide the fact that they have an unlimited source of income from their investors?

[jambo101]

Originally Posted by PhotoDu.de

This is a blog post off a business news website. It's some guys opinion and not an objective look that the subject.
If oil is abiotic what evidence is there that it is being make enough to sustain current/future demand?

Its more than some guys opinion its a scientific theory just like the theory that 90 million+ barrels of oil the world uses every day comes from decayed organic matter. Of course the theory of self sustaining oil reserves is widely debunked, can you imagine how much money big oil business would lose if the Abiotic theory were true?

Another link
http://mondovista.com/abioticoilx.html

[PhotoDu.de]

Originally Posted by jambo101

Its more than some guys opinion its a scientific theory just like the theory that 90 million+ barrels of oil the world uses every day comes from decayed organic matter. Of course the theory of self sustaining oil reserves is widely debunked, can you imagine how much money big oil business would lose if the Abiotic theory were true?

Another link
http://mondovista.com/abioticoilx.html

Mondovista.com? That's an even less credible link than the last one that was posted.

[jambo101]

Originally Posted by PhotoDu.de

Mondovista.com? That's an even less credible link than the last one that was posted.

The link was posted to clarify what the Abiotic oil theory is all about not to justify one way or the other its legitimacy as a theory.
Whats your conspiracy theory behind Mondovista.com? I've never heard of them and thought their description of the Abiotic theory was quite understandable.

[nmgolfer]

But you cannot make it drink...

Curious people research things for themselves. There is a ton of material on the web about the true origins of petroleum on planet earth and is ain't dead dinosaurs. Carbon is one of the four most abundant elements in the Universe. Carbon dioxide is NOT a polutant... in fact it is a requirement of life on planet Earth. Carbon dioxide lags global warming not leads it. These are just a few of the thing the the curious critical thinkers learn and the lemming will never ever know.

You must as yourself: Cui Bono... who benefits. Who benefits from convincing the simple minded lemmings that petroleum is derived from dead dinosaurs. Who benefits from controlling carbon and in turn life itself on planet earth? Who benefits when a ridiculous idea that a naturally occurring trace molecule of the air we breath CO2 is a pollutant? I'll give you a hint... it sure as heck is not the lemmings. Wake up... there is a larger agenda afoot, as there has always been from time immemorial.

If you're truly curious, not just trolling I suggest you read some of the articles by Chris Landau, a geologist, who knows exactly how petroleum is made inside the earths crust. http://www.opednews.com/author/author47248.html The Russians have known since 1950's and are one of the largest producers with their deep wells because of it. People can remain ignorant "sheeple" and like lemmings drop to their deaths or they can try critical thinking for themselves

Originally Posted by PhotoDu.de

This is a blog post off a business news website. It's some guys opinion and not an objective look that the subject.
If oil is abiotic what evidence is there that it is being make enough to sustain current/future demand?
Even if we have an unlimited supply of oil, we have to deal with the carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases made from burning petroleum products.
Finally, why would a company hide the fact that they have an unlimited source of income from their investors?

[PhotoDu.de]

Originally Posted by nmgolfer

But you cannot make it drink...

Curious people research things for themselves. There is a ton of material on the web about the true origins of petroleum on planet earth and is ain't dead dinosaurs. Carbon is one of the four most abundant elements in the Universe. Carbon dioxide is NOT a polutant... in fact it is a requirement of life on planet Earth. Carbon dioxide lags global warming not leads it. These are just a few of the thing the the curious critical thinkers learn and the lemming will never ever know.

You must as yourself: Cui Bono... who benefits. Who benefits from convincing the simple minded lemmings that petroleum is derived from dead dinosaurs. Who benefits from controlling carbon and in turn life itself on planet earth? Who benefits when a ridiculous idea that a naturally occurring trace molecule of the air we breath CO2 is a pollutant? I'll give you a hint... it sure as heck is not the lemmings. Wake up... there is a larger agenda afoot, as there has always been from time immemorial.

If you're truly curious, not just trolling I suggest you read some of the articles by Chris Landau, a geologist, who knows exactly how petroleum is made inside the earths crust. http://www.opednews.com/author/author47248.html The Russians have known since 1950's and are one of the largest producers with their deep wells because of it. People can remain ignorant "sheeple" and like lemmings drop to their deaths or they can try critical thinking for themselves

1) Ad hominem attacks don't help

2) CO2 is denser than the N2 and O2 that makes up most of the air. Denser object retain heat better than less dense objects. Air with more CO2 will be denser, retain more heat, and get warmer.

[nmgolfer]

Originally Posted by PhotoDu.de

1) Ad hominem attacks don't help

2) CO2 is denser than the N2 and O2 that makes up most of the air. Denser object retain heat better than less dense objects. Air with more CO2 will be denser, retain more heat, and get warmer.

Consider this... if CO2 is heavier (which it is) it should sink to the ground ... which it does ergo no greenhouse effect! Its not helium afterall... how are you going to get it up there to cause all that warming?

[Crims0n5]

Originally Posted by nmgolfer

Consider this... if CO2 is heavier (which it is) it should sink to the ground ... which it does ergo no greenhouse effect! Its not helium afterall... how are you going to get it up there to cause all that warming?

Global warming is the increase in the average temperature of Earth's near-surface air and oceans since the mid-20th century and its projected continuation.

[nmgolfer]

Originally Posted by Crims0n5

Global warming is the increase in the average temperature of Earth's near-surface air and oceans since the mid-20th century and its projected continuation.

"Projected" By whom? The pseudo-scientists at the CRU? By lickspittle pseudo-scientists caught lying about data at NASA http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=30000 ? Anybody can say anything but that does not make it true. CO2 is increasing yes... because we've been coming out of the little ice age for centuries!

[PhotoDu.de]

Originally Posted by nmgolfer

Consider this... if CO2 is heavier (which it is) it should sink to the ground ... which it does ergo no greenhouse effect! Its not helium afterall... how are you going to get it up there to cause all that warming?

You do realize there is something call wind, right?

jambo101, lets check out some of the headlines on Mondovista.com:
-Noah's Ark is discovered (again) in Turkey
-Suggestions for preperaring for 2012 doomsday
-It's easy to make an H-BOMB! Just add lithium
-Gray Alien caught on SA tape?
and the best one yet
-Will Cognitive Dissonance Fool You?

I have no conspiracy theory behind Mondovista.com. It's just not a credible source because it's a conspiracy theory website.

[jambo101]

Originally Posted by PhotoDu.de

I have no conspiracy theory behind Mondovista.com. It's just not a credible source because it's a conspiracy theory website.

So what is about the description of the Abiotic theory that they provide that gives you a problem? and if you were to post a link describing the Abiotic theory to people who have no idea what we are talking about which link would you post.?

[PhotoDu.de]

Originally Posted by jambo101

So what is about the description of the Abiotic theory that they provide that gives you a problem? and if you were to post a link describing the Abiotic theory to people who have no idea what we are talking about which link would you post.?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin

Originally Posted by nmgolfer

You do realize helium is prevalent in the upper atmosphere don't you? Why do you suppose that is?

It's also prevalent in the lower atmosphere, because of wind.

Originally Posted by nmgolfer

"Projected" By whom? The pseudo-scientists at the CRU? By lickspittle pseudo-scientists caught lying about data at NASA http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=30000 ? Anybody can say anything but that does not make it true. CO2 is increasing yes... because we've been coming out of the little ice age for centuries!

The reason they dropped stations was because of the way they were collecting data: http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org...usi-noaa-nasa/ http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org...data-concerns/
Satellite data confirms the data of ground weather stations. If John Coleman had credable evidence he should share it with the scientific community and get it published in a peer-reviewed journal. He aired his special on KUSI because there is more money there than being an accredited scientist.
CO2 is also increasing because be burn petro-chemicals, which is also releasing other even worse greenhouse gases.
Even if we forget about climate change, there are still other reason we need to end our dependence on petroleum; ground water contamination, soil contamination, oil spills, limited supply, destruction of wildlife habitats to find oil, etc.

[nmgolfer]

Originally Posted by PhotoDu.de

You do realize there is something call wind, right?

You do realize helium is prevalent in the upper atmosphere don't you? Why do you suppose that is?

[Crims0n5]

Originally Posted by nmgolfer

But you cannot make it drink...

Curious people research things for themselves. There is a ton of material on the web about the true origins of petroleum on planet earth and is ain't dead dinosaurs. Carbon is one of the four most abundant elements in the Universe. Carbon dioxide is NOT a polutant... in fact it is a requirement of life on planet Earth. Carbon dioxide lags global warming not leads it. These are just a few of the thing the the curious critical thinkers learn and the lemming will never ever know.

You must as yourself: Cui Bono... who benefits. Who benefits from convincing the simple minded lemmings that petroleum is derived from dead dinosaurs. Who benefits from controlling carbon and in turn life itself on planet earth? Who benefits when a ridiculous idea that a naturally occurring trace molecule of the air we breath CO2 is a pollutant? I'll give you a hint... it sure as heck is not the lemmings. Wake up... there is a larger agenda afoot, as there has always been from time immemorial.

If you're truly curious, not just trolling I suggest you read some of the articles by Chris Landau, a geologist, who knows exactly how petroleum is made inside the earths crust. http://www.opednews.com/author/author47248.html The Russians have known since 1950's and are one of the largest producers with their deep wells because of it. People can remain ignorant "sheeple" and like lemmings drop to their deaths or they can try critical thinking for themselves

You are right. In trace amounts CO2 is not a pollutant. However the concentration of CO2 and other green house gasses have been increasing over the years. After all, Arsenic doesn't become a poisonous until it reaches a certain concentration in the body.

If you are considering a larger agenda coming from those who are promoting the global climate change issues, we must also consider the possibility of an agenda being forced on us by those trying to disprove man's influence on global climate change.

[PhotoDu.de]

Originally Posted by Crims0n5

If you are considering a larger agenda coming from those who are promoting the global climate change issues, we must also consider the possibility of an agenda being forced on us by those trying to disprove man's influence on global climate change.

Never listen to talking heads (but feel free to listen to Talking Heads).

[nmgolfer]

Originally Posted by PK198105

Because it justifies the price hikes and creates doubt which then influences the markets, wake up people this is all a big scam (gas prices). This is how a few control the many

Bingo... exactly. The entire "world order" is built around petrol-dollar control. Both world wars were made to happen because of it. A really excellent book on this not widely known true history of oil is: A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order by William Engdahl. Here in the states gas price is controlled by limiting refining.

http://www.amazon.com/Century-War-An.../dp/074532309X

[PhotoDu.de]

Originally Posted by nmgolfer

Bingo... exactly. The entire "world order" is built around petrol-dollar control. Both world wars were made to happen because of it. A really excellent book on this not widely known true history of oil is: A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order by William Engdahl. Here in the states gas price is controlled by limiting refining.

http://www.amazon.com/Century-War-An.../dp/074532309X

Are you trying to make an argument for or against saving gas? If we use less gas and find other energy sources we'd end the petrol-dollar system we have.

[nmgolfer]

Originally Posted by PhotoDu.de

Are you trying to make an argument for or against saving gas? If we use less gas and find other energy sources we'd end the petrol-dollar system we have.

I'm saying

1)Petroleum is probably limitless but that at the very least we are not running out anytime soon

2)The powers that be will not let us get away from petroleum because the entire world order is built around it

3)I'm saying Global warming is not caused by man but by naturally occuring cycle but that will not stop the control freaks that have eugenics and totalitarian fascistic agendas from using it to tighten their vice grips on peoples lives.

I'd like nothing better than to never have to purchase gasoline again, to drive and electic vehicle with juice I maded on my property from the sun and the wind and or an internal combustion fueled by hydrogen produced from water sun and wind. All completely doable but no before taking our live back from those who seek to dominate us.