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bronsin · 10-31-2010, 11:30 PM

Global warming may or may not be real. But animals are going extinct at ever accelerating rates. Especially in the ocean. Pollution levels are rising at unsustainable rates. Especially in China. Its only a matter of time till it gets here.

I dont like AG either.

Eveerybody buy a Yaris/iQ!

Brian · 10-31-2010, 11:43 PM

Here's some pics I took of the iQ at Toyotafest this year.

NinjaPirate · 10-31-2010, 11:55 PM

I always thought these look like an angry baby Yaris at the front. cute lol.
Wouldn't buy one though if it came here. It would be overpriced and too small/slow/unstable for me.

why? · 11-01-2010, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BailOut

Even completely ignoring our potential effects on climate change your statement is wholly invalid. From our polluting and destruction of 70% of the world's fresh water supply to mountaintop removal in coal mining to overfishing and polluting the seas to the use of GM crops to the deforestation of the Amazon rain forest and other areas we indeed are destroying the planet.

One also cannot overlook the fact that if everyone lived like we Americans we'd need no less than 7 Earth's worth of resources and pollution absorption to support it all.

It is impossible to live without impact, but we can each choose - directly and through our spending and support (or lack of support) for various organizations and factions - to leave the world better off than we found it, or spiraling downward that much faster.

i'm not even going to try and argue with you. You are so far to the left, and i am such a constitutionalist that we will never even come close to agreeing on anything. I'll just say i disagree with 100% of what you said.

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Originally Posted by bronsin

Global warming may or may not be real. But animals are going extinct at ever accelerating rates. Especially in the ocean. Pollution levels are rising at unsustainable rates. Especially in China. Its only a matter of time till it gets here.
I dont like AG either.
Eveerybody buy a Yaris/iQ!

99% of all the species ever on the planet are extinct. We know there have been times where our ecosystem has had thousands times more pollutants than we have now. We didn't exist then though, so we didn't cause it, and the planet did fine.

It is the height of arrogance to think we truly can change anything about the earth's climate, something we know almost nothing about.

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Originally Posted by Brian

Here's some pics I took of the iQ at Toyotafest this year.

i do love the way it looked, except for the slushbox.

krolos · 11-01-2010, 12:52 AM

No the micros don't really make much sense, we need clean burning
diesels like in europe, the Yaris whould get 50+mpg without even trying,
but thanks to f**ked up politics in the U.S that wont happen any time
soon.

why? · 11-01-2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by krolos

No the micros don't really make much sense, we need clean burning
diesels like in europe, the Yaris whould get 50+mpg without even trying,
but thanks to f**ked up politics in the U.S that wont happen any time
soon.

that isn't about politics. It is about the fact that diesel cars don't sell in the US. There are just enough models with diesels that if they ever took off all the manufacturers would start coming out with them. But there is almost no demand right now.

Kal-El · 11-02-2010, 12:43 AM

Part of it too is that in America, it's not as convenient finding diesel fuel. Diesel is only available at maybe 50% of gas stations. I don't know an exact estimate, but that's an observed estimate. Plus, it's almost always more expensive. Two years ago, diesel was a full dollar more than unleaded per gallon.

bronsin · 11-01-2010, 05:37 PM

I called two Toyota dealers asking about the iQ. One said "Never heard of it." One said "Its coming but we dont know when."

*Astroman* · 11-01-2010, 05:51 PM

"Never heard of it" is typical. I know more about the Yaris than any dealer I've been too. And when I say iQ, they're not thinking cars.

bronsin · 11-02-2010, 09:24 AM

Back in the day (1995) I remember filling up my 79 240d for 79 cents a gallon! Most gas stations now sell diesel along side gasoline but it wasnt that way then. If the price of diesel exceeds that of gasoline by 20% its not economically advantagous. Diesels cost more to buy and operate. They are not much of an economy today, if you do the math.
But I would kill for that 1.4 liter diesel in my Yaris!

Flipper_1938 · 11-02-2010, 10:44 AM

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Kal-El · 11-02-2010, 10:47 AM

The margin between unleaded and diesel varies across America, but in my area today...

Unleaded averages - $2.75/gal
Diesel averages - $3.05/gal

A 10% difference. Not too bad right now and would mathematically be worth getting a diesel. As I mentioned earlier, when gas shot to $4/gal 2 1/2 years ago, diesel went to $5/gal (in my area). An even bigger margin.

bronsin · 11-02-2010, 11:40 AM

But...my Yaris gets 36 mpg and what would a diesel get? (in town?) Lets say 44 mpg. So to drive a thousand miles in the Yaris is $76. 1000 miles in our diesel is $69. You save $7 per 1000 miles times 100 thousand miles is $700. Can you buy a diesel car for $15,000? (the bottom line for my Yaris) I think it would be MUCH more. Maybe $5000 more. The numbers just arent there.

MadMax · 11-02-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bronsin

But...my Yaris gets 36 mpg and what would a diesel get? (in town?) Lets say 44 mpg. So to drive a thousand miles in the Yaris is $76. 1000 miles in our diesel is $69. You save $7 per 1000 miles times 100 thousand miles is $700. Can you buy a diesel car for $15,000? (the bottom line for my Yaris) I think it would be MUCH more. Maybe $5000 more. The numbers just arent there.

I think the diesel Yaris is rated much higher than 44 MPG! Heck, in a fuel efficiency challenge in the UK two years ago, a 1.4 D-4D diesel Yaris won with an average of 70.49 MPG (and that's US, not imperial, gallons!).

"Normal" fuel consumption for that car is (in US gallons): 45 mpg city / 68 highway / 55 mpg combined.

Even the Skoda Octavia wagon I drove in Germany two weeks ago, mainly at autobahn speeds, was averaging around 45 MPG.

Unfortunately, our high diesel prices (due to the Diesel Emissions Reduction Act of 2005) have dramatically undercut the benefits of diesel-powered cars in this country.

Cheers! M2

SailDesign · 11-02-2010, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bronsin

But...my Yaris gets 36 mpg and what would a diesel get? (in town?) Lets say 44 mpg. So to drive a thousand miles in the Yaris is $76. 1000 miles in our diesel is $69. You save $7 per 1000 miles times 100 thousand miles is $700. Can you buy a diesel car for $15,000? (the bottom line for my Yaris) I think it would be MUCH more. Maybe $5000 more. The numbers just arent there.

Why would a diesel car cost more....?

SailDesign · 11-02-2010, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SailDesign

Why would a diesel car cost more....?

Here's the official Price List for Toyota UK - the diesel is more, but only 1000 pounds, not 5000. Well worth it!

http://www.toyota.co.uk/bv/UK_car_pr...wCarPrices.pdf

bronsin · 11-02-2010, 04:41 PM

Yes but those cars are not availible in this country. I get the sense they will not be here in the future either. I think 44mpg is a generous figure for the diesel cars that are sold here.

bronsin · 11-02-2010, 06:07 PM

So...you would spend $1500 to save $700 over 100k miles. Add to that the added maintainence costs for a diesel vs gasoline engine. Also, I have found that published prices are different than actually walking into a dealership and buying the car. Diesels often come with extras one does not want and which increase the price. A VW Jetta diesel is a good example of that.
Bottom line the best economy option would be the 1 liter gas engine.

10-31-2010, 11:43 PM	#2
Brian Drives: '07 Yaris turbo, '11 Juke Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Riverside, CA Posts: 849	Here's some pics I took of the iQ at Toyotafest this year. __________________ http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3875996

10-31-2010, 11:55 PM	#3
NinjaPirate n00bcake View User's Garage Drives: 07 Yaris YR hatch Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Perth, .au Posts: 37	I always thought these look like an angry baby Yaris at the front. cute lol. Wouldn't buy one though if it came here. It would be overpriced and too small/slow/unstable for me. __________________

11-01-2010, 05:51 PM	#9
Astroman Modded Moderator View User's Garage Drives: 07 Toyota Yaris, 71 Galaxie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Wenatchee, WA Posts: 3,670	"Never heard of it" is typical. I know more about the Yaris than any dealer I've been too. And when I say iQ, they're not thinking cars. __________________ Please visit my online store for computer stuff and Official Yarisworld decals!

11-02-2010, 10:44 AM	#11
Flipper_1938 Drives: 2010 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 529	! Last edited by Flipper_1938; 12-18-2010 at 12:02 AM.

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10-31-2010, 11:30 PM	#1
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,792	Global warming may or may not be real. But animals are going extinct at ever accelerating rates. Especially in the ocean. Pollution levels are rising at unsustainable rates. Especially in China. Its only a matter of time till it gets here. I dont like AG either. Eveerybody buy a Yaris/iQ!

11-01-2010, 12:52 AM	#5
krolos Drives: 2008 yaris sedan Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: wa state Posts: 90	No the micros don't really make much sense, we need clean burning diesels like in europe, the Yaris whould get 50+mpg without even trying, but thanks to f**ked up politics in the U.S that wont happen any time soon.

11-02-2010, 12:43 AM	#7
Kal-El Drives: 07 Yaris S Sedan 5-Speed Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,179	Part of it too is that in America, it's not as convenient finding diesel fuel. Diesel is only available at maybe 50% of gas stations. I don't know an exact estimate, but that's an observed estimate. Plus, it's almost always more expensive. Two years ago, diesel was a full dollar more than unleaded per gallon.

11-01-2010, 05:37 PM	#8
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,792	I called two Toyota dealers asking about the iQ. One said "Never heard of it." One said "Its coming but we dont know when."

11-02-2010, 09:24 AM	#10
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,792	Back in the day (1995) I remember filling up my 79 240d for 79 cents a gallon! Most gas stations now sell diesel along side gasoline but it wasnt that way then. If the price of diesel exceeds that of gasoline by 20% its not economically advantagous. Diesels cost more to buy and operate. They are not much of an economy today, if you do the math. But I would kill for that 1.4 liter diesel in my Yaris!

11-02-2010, 10:47 AM	#12
Kal-El Drives: 07 Yaris S Sedan 5-Speed Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 2,179	The margin between unleaded and diesel varies across America, but in my area today... Unleaded averages - $2.75/gal Diesel averages - $3.05/gal A 10% difference. Not too bad right now and would mathematically be worth getting a diesel. As I mentioned earlier, when gas shot to $4/gal 2 1/2 years ago, diesel went to $5/gal (in my area). An even bigger margin.

11-02-2010, 11:40 AM	#13
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,792	But...my Yaris gets 36 mpg and what would a diesel get? (in town?) Lets say 44 mpg. So to drive a thousand miles in the Yaris is $76. 1000 miles in our diesel is $69. You save $7 per 1000 miles times 100 thousand miles is $700. Can you buy a diesel car for $15,000? (the bottom line for my Yaris) I think it would be MUCH more. Maybe $5000 more. The numbers just arent there.

11-02-2010, 04:41 PM	#17
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,792	Yes but those cars are not availible in this country. I get the sense they will not be here in the future either. I think 44mpg is a generous figure for the diesel cars that are sold here.

11-02-2010, 06:07 PM	#18
bronsin Drives: 2009 Base Hatch 2 Dr Auto Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nj Posts: 4,792	So...you would spend $1500 to save $700 over 100k miles. Add to that the added maintainence costs for a diesel vs gasoline engine. Also, I have found that published prices are different than actually walking into a dealership and buying the car. Diesels often come with extras one does not want and which increase the price. A VW Jetta diesel is a good example of that. Bottom line the best economy option would be the 1 liter gas engine.