Just picked this up - Prius C

[tooter]

Just a side comment about your avatar, tk...

Did you ever think that a window crank would ever become something to actually be proud of?

I feel exactly the same way about my cranks and regard myself as being lucky to have gotten them before they disappear altogether...

...as they're a symbol of simple practical reliable mechanical functionality.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by tooter

Just a side comment about your avatar, tk...

Did you ever think that a window crank would ever become something to actually be proud of?

I feel exactly the same way about my cranks and regard myself as being lucky to have gotten them before they disappear altogether...

...as they're a symbol of simple practical reliable mechanical functionality.

...."disappear"........then...Aha! Light bulb! Will all of the needed part numbers for 2012 Model Year hand crank operation for the driver side door on a 3-Door Liftback be open for purchase by a single consumer?...if so...Will future year (3rd generation but AFTER hand crank windows have disappeared) driver side door interior/'innards' accept all of the 'needed for hand crank operation' part numbers?....if not...Could the inside of the door be modified to make this a reality without huge expense? Is all of this unknowable until after the hand crank windows disappear? Are these CTScott only questions?

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

...."disappear"........then...Aha! Light bulb! Will all of the needed part numbers for 2012 Model Year hand crank operation for the driver side door on a 3-Door Liftback be open for purchase by a single consumer?...if so...Will future year (3rd generation but AFTER hand crank windows have disappeared) driver side door interior/'innards' accept all of the 'needed for hand crank operation' part numbers?....if not...Could the inside of the door be modified to make this a reality without huge expense? Is all of this unknowable until after the hand crank windows disappear? Are these CTScott only questions?

Tooter.......do you know the answer to any of these questions or do you think they are likely CTScott only questions?

[tooter]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

Tooter.......do you know the answer to any of these questions or do you think they are likely CTScott only questions?

Sorry, man... I'm a dummy on the parts issue... and so far haven't bought any OEM stuff.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by tooter

Sorry, man... I'm a dummy on the parts issue... and so far haven't bought any OEM stuff.

Thanks for the reply. Ideally such questions wouldn't be necessary, but I have a feeling the rumblings you've heard re this issue are likely to come to pass.

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

...."disappear"........then...Aha! Light bulb! Will all of the needed part numbers for 2012 Model Year hand crank operation for the driver side door on a 3-Door Liftback be open for purchase by a single consumer?...if so...Will future year (3rd generation but AFTER hand crank windows have disappeared) driver side door interior/'innards' accept all of the 'needed for hand crank operation' part numbers?....if not...Could the inside of the door be modified to make this a reality without huge expense? Is all of this unknowable until after the hand crank windows disappear? Are these CTScott only questions?

Embrace the future (err, present or perhaps past). Power windows have been around since the 1940 Packard and are a wonderful addition to the automobile. I have had Japanese vehicles with over 140,000 miles on them with all of the original power window hardware still working perfectly. My new Crashy #2 has manual windows and I will soon be switching them to power.

To actually answer your question - Going in the opposite direction from power to crank means changing the window regulator assembly. If the vehicle is not offered with a manual one it would mean adapting a manual one from a different or older vehicle to work.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by CTScott

Embrace the future (err, present or perhaps past). Power windows have been around since the 1940 Packard and are a wonderful addition to the automobile. I have had Japanese vehicles with over 140,000 miles on them with all of the original power window hardware still working perfectly. My new Crashy #2 has manual windows and I will soon be switching them to power.

To actually answer your question - Going in the opposite direction from power to crank means changing the window regulator assembly. If the vehicle is not offered with a manual one it would mean adapting a manual one from a different or older vehicle to work.

Thanks. It sounds like more of a PITA than I anticipated. I'll probably just have to hope that down the road, when I'm ready, that the rumblings that Tooter has heard about manual crank windows going away after this year are wrong. OTOH, if I end up choosing the C instead of the Yaris, it will end up being a moot point......Aha! I just had another thought/question --a crazy one that probably would cost too much to make it worth it -- but i'll ask because I think you would best know the answer. If I wanted the (smaller than the C) Yaris Hybrid would it be possible to economically make it U.S. Spec and bring it over from Europe?

[CTScott]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

Thanks. It sounds like more of a PITA than I anticipated. I'll probably just have to hope that down the road, when I'm ready, that the rumblings that Tooter has heard about manual crank windows going away after this year are wrong. OTOH, if I end up choosing the C instead of the Yaris, it will end up being a moot point......Aha! I just had another thought/question --a crazy one that probably would cost too much to make it worth it -- but i'll ask because I think you would best know the answer. If I wanted the (smaller than the C) Yaris Hybrid would it be possible to economically make it U.S. Spec and bring it over from Europe?

The Yaris Hybrid and Prius C are the same size. Importing new or relatively new cars from other countries is a bit of a nightmare (as I found out when I considered purchasing a 2006 Yaris from Canada).

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by CTScott

The Yaris Hybrid and Prius C are the same size. Importing new or relatively new cars from other countries is a bit of a nightmare (as I found out when I considered purchasing a 2006 Yaris from Canada).

Thanks. If YOU think it is a bit of a nightmare, then most of the rest of us would likely think it would be a full fledged nightmare (so i'll forgo the idea)....and I can imagine that a car coming from Europe would present more of a challenge than a car coming from Canada. I thought the Prius C and the Yaris Hybrid were exactly the same until August 5th 2012 when I found the article on elp.com that I refer to in post #38 on this thread. I just reread that article and it doesn't actually state that the Yaris Hybrid is smaller . Just for the heck of it, I decided to see if the Yaris Hybrid would have an e-brochure on one of the sites for one of the countries in the EU. I first searched the German site (and over all of the choices they have compared to what we get). I then searched the site for Malta and it automatically redirected to the UK site, as I thought it might. I found an e-brochure that included the Yaris Hybrid on this site. The length is 3905 millimeters (152.49 inches) and the wheelbase is 2510 millimeters (97.89 inches). I imagine that the 4.81 inch difference in length (157.3 inch Prius C minus 152.49 inch Yaris Hybrid) is largely because of different bumper requirements......But why is there a 2.51 inch difference in wheelbase (100.4 inches for the Prius C minus 97.89 inches for the Yaris Hybrid) between the two?

[tk1971]

Originally Posted by tooter

Just a side comment about your avatar, tk...

Did you ever think that a window crank would ever become something to actually be proud of?

I feel exactly the same way about my cranks and regard myself as being lucky to have gotten them before they disappear altogether...

...as they're a symbol of simple practical reliable mechanical functionality.

The cranks in my 210 were original to the car, dirty and sun faded, but they were perfectly functional when I donated that car to the Salvation Army at 395,000 miles.

Yep, I'm proud to own a modern car with window cranks. I also want my kids to remember their dad had a car with window cranks.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by tk1971

The cranks in my 210 were original to the car, dirty and sun faded, but they were perfectly functional when I donated that car to the Salvation Army at 395,000 miles.

Yep, I'm proud to own a modern car with window cranks. I also want my kids to remember their dad had a car with window cranks.