Yaris vs. Aveo: The Real Competitor

[CASTREX]

Originally Posted by Pavel Olavich

You idiot Anti-American jerk...so are the mechanics that service Toyotas, Honda's and any make here in the US....If you don't like America or Americans' go back to the hole you were crapped out of!

Pretty heated post for some who just joined the forum a few days ago.

[Astroman]

My thoughts exactly. Whats real funny about this though, is that a LOT of "american" cars are not even built in the US, and quite a few "un-american" cars are built in the U.S.... Toyota is even planning on building the prius in the U.S... So I find it funny that someone would take offense to anyone talking bad about an aveo, when it really isn't an american car. It isn't designed by americans, built by americans or anything. Just serviced, which is EXACTLY how any other import or domestic would be serviced (where its located, regardless of country.) My great-grandmother was president of the United Autoworkers Union. She of course always prided herself on buying american cars. Her last car, a chrysler, she thought was american as they come. Only to find out it wasn't even built in the US. Oh, might I add that car needed a new transmission at 34k miles? And only a 80yo woman drove it, so you know it was never pushed real hard. Besides, getting all puffed up over american/imported cars is stupid. Some die-hard domestic fans out there might be surprised how many "imports" are built in the US by americans, and how many "domestics" are built elsewhere. My '87 chevy astro van was 100% assembled in mexico. Besides, I bought a yaris because it offered the BEST fuel economy in my price range, came with the options I wanted, and I also wanted something reliable that with proper care, could last decades.

[AaronATL]

if those country had to pay import taxes like we pay our
export taxes, it would be made in, smalltown USA

Aveo
outsourced---------------Made in USA
labor $222 --------labor $8000
parts $4000 ---------parts $4000
shipping $1599 ---------shipping $599
port tax $ 0------------port tax $ none

not much of a profit

[BailOut]

It doesn't really matter where a vehicle is physically stamped, molded or assembled at. What matters is how the company that product belongs to manages things like quality assurance and materials verification.

GM, Ford and Dodge have never had a handle on quality control, even when their plants was just blocks from their headquarters. Why anyone would think that magically changes when you move the plant 6,000 miles away is beyond me.

Regardless of where Toyotas are built each plant is forced to adhere to the strict standards that were originally set and are still used in Japan. That's one of the main reasons that Toyotas commonly go for 200,000 - 300,000 miles or more without any major repairs being needed, even if they are somewhat mistreated, while the average American-designed/managed vehicle is on borrowed time starting around 80,000 miles, if it even lasts that long on its original equipment to begin with.

Our Tacoma was stamped in Japan and assembled in Mexico. Our Yaris is 100% Japanese. Both are quality vehicles and have thus far performed very well (the Tacoma just hit 130k miles and is now pretty much used just for short commutes and hauling a 4,800 pound boat over a mountain, which it does like a champ).

Our last American car (and the last one we'll ever own), which I traded in on the Yaris, was a 1999 Dodge Stratus that I managed to keep on the road for 138,000 miles with a strict maintenance schedule, lots of TLC... and $4,800 of repairs over 7 shop visits. Ouch. Never again.

[jamal1984]

it's look like GM, DODGE, FORD need to do something about their cars, or else very soon no one will drive one of them, all we see on the street is our YARIS and HONDA.

But now i think GM offer 100,000 miles warrranty on their cars right?
So how is that affect Toyota for 36,000 miles warranty?

[Razr]

Originally Posted by CASTREX

The Aveo is not an American car. Is 100% Korean with a Chevy badge. Is actually closer to a Hyundai than to a Chevy.

Well in fact, the Aveo is a Daewoo - which is both Korean and owned by GM.

I dont know where the US market Aveo's are made, but the one's they're flogging around here are made in India.

[Spades]

yeah, Aveo=Daewoo

now, onto the competition... Yaris>Aveo

I bought my wife a 05 Aveo sedan last year used for 10,800...I purchased my Yaris new at the end of last year for 11k. Hers has power windows and cd player and is an auto. my car was radio delete with no power options.

Her car gets 35mpg in the city, my yaris has been getting 45+ mpg in the city.

The Yaris seems roomier inside, has better placement of controls and radio, handles better, has more HP, has WAY better brakes, more pockets to stash stuff in, has a smoother ride, is quieter inside, it also has better fabric for seats and carpets.
I and most other people think that the yaris and aveo 4 door sedans when compared side by side belive the yaris is far better looking.

I own both cars, and in my opinion, yaris for the win.

[ECHOKnight2000]

Its really no contest. The Yaris wins. Sure the Aveo may offer more bang for your buck with options but that starts to fade as the quality is not there, and it feels more like a really cheap car...okay that's how its positioned but you know what I mean. Anyway I read Aveo forums from time to time and stuff is going wrong with their cars like at 10K, 20K and major stuff too as well as little and as mentioned before the gas mileage is awefull! Daewoo pretty much went bankrupt and so GM bought them out and obviously is rebadging their cars including cars for Suzuki which was partly owned by GM but I believe is now or soon to not be part of GM...thank goodness!!

[Kitt]

My best friend had one (it is totaled now) but he always said that my car has whole more output than his when he drove it and yes, it was on the shop all the time and the engine has a daewoo badge on it!

[redyaris]

Originally Posted by bigsky2

Nice.. another thread gone to shit.

No, we just had someone that tried to do that. He flamed me, I handled him and he is gone now. This poster btw admonishes me and others in another thread for acting like 'junior high' however. Hypocrisy at its best!

Discussion resumed.

Did I mention I hated the Aveo? NO. I would have liked having the sunroof option on the Yaris. I think Chevy had the right idea with the Aveo but I would never own one thanks to my former history with American cars (GM in particular).

In the past 25 years ive owned a Chevy Camaro, a Lincoln Mark VII LSC, a Pontiac Grand Am GT sedan, and a Chrysler Sebring convertible. All turned out to be utter crap, in the service bay as much as on the road. Electrical gremlins, transmissions that needed replacing after 80K, multiple front and rear seal oil leaks, etc.....

Ive also had a Nissan Maxima, a Honda Del Sol and a Volvo 850 turbo, each of which outperformed the domestic cars in every regard and went over 100K without a sweat...In fact, I wish I never sold my Honda as it was the best car I have ever owned!!!!

So GM, no thanks: burned in the past means youve lost me forever as a consumer.

But I still shop at Wal-Mart. Does that make me an American? LOLOLOLOL.

[ChinoCharles]

Originally Posted by Pavel Olavich

You idiot Anti-American jerk...so are the mechanics that service Toyotas, Honda's and any make here in the US....If you don't like America or Americans' go back to the hole you were crapped out of!

So many things I want to say, but there are rules. You should try following them. Better yet, don't. You've been here for 4 days and I already can't wait until you're gone.

[brickhardmeat]

I kinda like the simple body lines of the Aveo but it is just a Daewoo like previously posted and they do get crappy gas mileage from what I could find whle I was in the market. I bought a Yaris because it was exactly what I wanted and I didn't have to buy it with all the power stuff that -always- has problems. This was my ideal car since Volkswagen is -never- going to release the Polo here.

[uncleyaris]

close this bitch

[Spades]

wow...i didnt even realise what that guy said...it was completely off topic and didnt even have to do with anything redyaris said...LOL...that guy needs to attend less clan meetings, they are making him delusional.

back on topic, the aveo isnt even close to the yaris, even if it is cheaper...the quality isnt there. The aveo isnt a bad car, if it was I wouldn't have bought one for my wife. My point is there are better cars out there than the Aveo, and the Yaris is one of them.

[Lickitung]

I did a google search for Aveo forums. These are the threads..

Newby here: Timing belt on '06...
Timing belt broke. Need valve guides!
Occasional shifting problems...
Grinding noise 2005 Aveo
Engine turns, won't start
Creeking Noise in Front End
Surging problem?

This just all from the front page of the aveo forum!
http://www.chevroletforum.com/
I don't think this is our competition.

[popeetheus]

I half-way like the 1st gen Aveo's look. Never seriously considered it due to questionable reliability and poor fuel efficiency compared to the Yaris. It's too bad, too, GM had no real replacement for the Geo Metro / Pontiac Firefly. I think some people might have overlooked some of Aveo's "quirks" if it got 50 mpg. I would have thought most people considering this class of vehicles are looking for a low-cost, fuel saving car, rather than a hot-rod, so an economical 3-banger engine would have been ok.

[spkrman]

Originally Posted by Lickitung

I did a google search for Aveo forums. These are the threads..

Newby here: Timing belt on '06...
Timing belt broke. Need valve guides!
Occasional shifting problems...
Grinding noise 2005 Aveo
Engine turns, won't start
Creeking Noise in Front End
Surging problem?

This just all from the front page of the aveo forum!
http://www.chevroletforum.com/
I don't think this is our competition.

With a 100k warranty, all of that would be taken care of. The warranty, IMO is the only appeal to the aveo...

I'd rather have a car with no warranty that doesn't need service, than a lifetime warranty on a lemon.

[Moose]

Originally Posted by spkrman

I'd rather have a car with no warranty that doesn't need service, than a lifetime warranty on a lemon.

That's the reason I got rid of my Bimmer!