Comparison Test: 2012 Toyota Yaris Vs. 2012 Toyota Prius c

[cali yaris]

Your "break even" numbers are optimistic. 10 mpg divided into 100,000 miles = 1000 gallons of gas @ $3.60 a gallon is $3600.

$3.60? Lucky you. It's $4.20 yere. Five years from now? Gas prices will be higher.

I don't finance cars, I like to buy them, so for me, the Prius is attractive.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

$3.60? Lucky you. It's $4.20 yere. Five years from now? Gas prices will be higher.

I don't finance cars, I like to buy them, so for me, the Prius is attractive.

The numbers dont lie. When a Prius makes economic sense I will buy one.

But I cant forget my brothers 83 Renault that got 53 mpg on the highway almost 30 years ago!

Buy what you want. Just as long as you realize you arent likely to save any money with a Prius.

[b20vteg]

Originally Posted by bronsin

Just as long as you realize you arent likely to save any money with a Prius.

you will... it just takes a very long time.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by b20vteg

you will... it just takes a very long time.

I want to keep people out of the "hybrid trap" as much as possible. Its not in my interest for Toyota to sell cars that hurt people and take advantage of their laudable intention to do right by the ecology at the expense of their financial situation.

Whats in my interest is a cheap, dependable car that gets 30-40 mpg.

What would be even better is one that gets 40-50 mpg.

I dont know if youve noticed but the practical out the door price of something like a Yaris is fast approaching $20,000. Its not there yet but my 2001 ECHO was $13,100
write the check. My 1980 Subaru Hatchback was $4600 which is what I wrote the check for. I made $15,000 in 1980.

I make $40,000 a year now. And the numbers show that figure is going DOWN not UP.

Do the math.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

I want to keep people out of the "hybrid trap" as much as possible. Its not in my interest for Toyota to sell cars that hurt people and take advantage of their laudable intention to do right by the ecology at the expense of their financial situation.

Whats in my interest is a cheap, dependable car that gets 30-40 mpg.

What would be even better is one that gets 40-50 mpg.

I dont know if youve noticed but the practical out the door price of something like a Yaris is fast approaching $20,000. Its not there yet but my 2001 ECHO was $13,100
write the check. My 1980 Subaru Hatchback was $4600 which is what I wrote the check for. I made $15,000 in 1980.

I make $40,000 a year now. And the numbers show that figure is going DOWN not UP.

Do the math.

Haven't you heard? We're supposed to have the same disincentives to use our vehicles that people in SOME other parts of the world have. Someone said so.

Driving lots of miles is my one kick between the legs to the environment and I try to minimize it as much as possible by driving a high MPG car. I know a few families who are smaller versions of 19 Kids and Counting (but not for the same reason) and chastise me for driving the miles that I do (because I don't need to).....these people are pretty hypocritical re this issue in my book.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

I want to keep people out of the "hybrid trap" as much as possible. Its not in my interest for Toyota to sell cars that hurt people and take advantage of their laudable intention to do right by the ecology at the expense of their financial situation.

Whats in my interest is a cheap, dependable car that gets 30-40 mpg.

What would be even better is one that gets 40-50 mpg.

I dont know if youve noticed but the practical out the door price of something like a Yaris is fast approaching $20,000. Its not there yet but my 2001 ECHO was $13,100
write the check. My 1980 Subaru Hatchback was $4600 which is what I wrote the check for. I made $15,000 in 1980.

I make $40,000 a year now. And the numbers show that figure is going DOWN not UP.

Do the math.

They've got to make you bend over and pay for all that scenery. It's The Garden State.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

They've got to make you bend over and pay for all that scenery. It's The Garden State.

I love your state, I just think the government entities at almost every level are reaming the taxpayers, a.k.a not giving very good value for each tax dollar.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

I want to keep people out of the "hybrid trap" as much as possible. Its not in my interest for Toyota to sell cars that hurt people and take advantage of their laudable intention to do right by the ecology at the expense of their financial situation.

Whats in my interest is a cheap, dependable car that gets 30-40 mpg.

What would be even better is one that gets 40-50 mpg.

I dont know if youve noticed but the practical out the door price of something like a Yaris is fast approaching $20,000. Its not there yet but my 2001 ECHO was $13,100
write the check. My 1980 Subaru Hatchback was $4600 which is what I wrote the check for. I made $15,000 in 1980.

I make $40,000 a year now. And the numbers show that figure is going DOWN not UP.

Do the math.

I logged off and then checked the MLB standings and scores. My #3 team close by is dragging around the worst record in the majors, but my top 2 Giants and A's looked headed to the post season along with your Yankees as they continue their winning ways. Should be an interesting last month to the season this year more than most years.

[tk1971]

Originally Posted by bronsin

I want to keep people out of the "hybrid trap" as much as possible. Its not in my interest for Toyota to sell cars that hurt people and take advantage of their laudable intention to do right by the ecology at the expense of their financial situation.

Whats in my interest is a cheap, dependable car that gets 30-40 mpg.

What would be even better is one that gets 40-50 mpg.

I dont know if youve noticed but the practical out the door price of something like a Yaris is fast approaching $20,000. Its not there yet but my 2001 ECHO was $13,100
write the check. My 1980 Subaru Hatchback was $4600 which is what I wrote the check for. I made $15,000 in 1980.

I make $40,000 a year now. And the numbers show that figure is going DOWN not UP.

Do the math.

I don't think most people blindly buy the "Eco-friendly" bit. I think most people just like to get new cars. I know every time a friend or family member gets a new car, I get all antsy and start looking at new cars. Most of the time, I beat back those urges because of the simple fact that what I have is good enough.

I think the Eco-friendly / high MPG boast of the newest hybrids give people that final push to convince themselves that they NEED a new car, just like higher HP or AWD for others. Sure, one can sit down and do very simple calculations to show that spending tens of thousands of dollars for a $10-30 savings per fill up can net a break even point of about a decade or more, but that's not what its all about.

I'm talking from experience here, because that's what happened to me. The wife got a new car and I ended up buying one too because of new-car-itis.

As for the $10k 40mpg+ econo-box... Nissan has a $10k Versa Sedan that's about $11k-$12k. I believe there is a Kia that is around the same price range, so they are out there.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by tk1971

I don't think most people blindly buy the "Eco-friendly" bit. I think most people just like to get new cars. I know every time a friend or family member gets a new car, I get all antsy and start looking at new cars. Most of the time, I beat back those urges because of the simple fact that what I have is good enough.

I think the Eco-friendly / high MPG boast of the newest hybrids give people that final push to convince themselves that they NEED a new car, just like higher HP or AWD for others. Sure, one can sit down and do very simple calculations to show that spending tens of thousands of dollars for a $10-30 savings per fill up can net a break even point of about a decade or more, but that's not what its all about.

I'm talking from experience here, because that's what happened to me. The wife got a new car and I ended up buying one too because of new-car-itis.

As for the $10k 40mpg+ econo-box... Nissan has a $10k Versa Sedan that's about $11k-$12k. I believe there is a Kia that is around the same price range, so they are out there.

....I think most people have a thing that they have an 'itis' about. For a fair number of people it's 'new-car-itis'. For me it isn't cars, it's traveling for pleasure. Whenever I hear that someone has traveled to some place that I haven't been to but sounds interesting, I want to know more. I do a little reading and sometimes am able to incorporate it into an already planned trip. A friend of mine here heard I was taking a trip to Florida for the opening of Marlins Park. She had planned a relative's wedding on Captiva Island and she told me I had to go there. I made sure I did go Captiva Island, and it was great.

[tk1971]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

....I think most people have a thing that they have an 'itis' about. For a fair number of people it's 'new-car-itis'. For me it isn't cars, it's traveling for pleasure. Whenever I hear that someone has traveled to some place that I haven't been to but sounds interesting, I want to know more. I do a little reading and sometimes am able to incorporate it into an already planned trip. A friend of mine here heard I was taking a trip to Florida for the opening of Marlins Park. She had planned a relative's wedding on Captiva Island and she told me I had to go there. I made sure I did go Captiva Island, and it was great.

I'd love to travel. Having a 4 and 2 year old limits our traveling capability. I won't even try.

Maybe in a few years.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by cali yaris

$3.60? Lucky you. It's $4.20 yere. Five years from now? Gas prices will be higher.

I don't finance cars, I like to buy them, so for me, the Prius is attractive.

I paid $3.46 on 8-30 . Down in Alvin (opposite side of our metro) it is $3.39 at Buc-ee's (a Texas convenience store and travel center chain). I find the traffic to be much worse in your general area than where Bronsin is (in addition to the gas price difference), so I can see the real world numbers for you (at least for a C) being closer together than they would be for Bronsin....I can see why the C might be an attractive choice in your location. The standard Prius?.....the numbers would be further apart, IMO, even with the supposed slightly better City MPG. I agree with you re paying for the car -- I don't finance cars either.