Yaris vs. Prius C

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by jingles

So, what do you guys think of the Prius C in comparison to the Yaris?

Oh thankyou for giving me the opportunity to answer my favorite question!

Which I have done time and again as many people here will remember!

Buying a Prius C is not cost effective. You will never make up the difference in gas saved unless gas is like $9 a gallon.

I also suspect the car is not as handy as a 2 door Yaris. The rear vision problem you mention is only one area. Im thinking you cant get as much stuff in the Prius. Also if it breaks later on it will cost more to be fixed if it can be fixed at all. I note Toyota hybrids arent known for such problems however.

If I was rich I would buy a Prius however. I think its important to do everything we can for the environment. Also we need to stick it to the man the oil companies or we will be paying $10 a gallon for gas.

However, if everyone drove a Yaris that would do it!

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

Oh thankyou for giving me the opportunity to answer my favorite question!

Which I have done time and again as many people here will remember!

At least you have a wonderful sense of humor re this topic .

Buying a Prius C is not cost effective. You will never make up the difference in gas saved unless gas is like $9 a gallon.

A bit of hyperbole, but it is closer to being true in New Jersey (is my previous searches are any indication) than in any other state. IMO, this is because Toyota dealers in New Jersey tend to order Prius c Threes and Pirius c Fours rather than Prius c Ones and Prius c Twos. They also load the orders with factory options. This unfortunate state of affairs (I suppose) could have to do with the realationship between the dealers and the distributor. Pac stickers also seem to be more common in New Jersey (and THAT IS a dealer issue). The car is the Prius c, not the Prius C (once you noted that the Yaris of yesteryear is an ECHO not an Echo, I've always promoted that distinction ).

If I was rich I would buy a Prius however. I think its important to do everything we can for the environment.

It depends on how many miles one drives. The carbon footprint of the battery is part of the equation. One doesn't overcome the totality of that footprint until the odometer hits 85,000 miles.

Also we need to stick it to the man the oil companies or we will be paying $10 a gallon for gas.

How is it that you (wonderfully) stood as strong as an oak re expressing your opinions to leftie professors at St John's, yet you now join with the lefties in demonizing oil companies ()? Oil companies are a target for demonization by lefties because of the overall dollar amount of their revenues and the overall dollar amount of their profits. This is beside the point because it doesn't take into account the amount they have to spend (the investment) to generate those revenues and profits. The only relevant figure, especially in an argument re 'gouging', is profit margin. Look at the profit margin of Exxon Mobil vs the profit margin of Apple. The difference is astounding. The difference has sometimes been more than 300 percent. Why has Exxon Mobil been demonized and had people say they gouge, and Apple not? Clearly, Apple's profit margin shows that they are the ones who are outside the norm. One could probably write an entire book exploring just that question. However, one could argue there are two reasons that are elephants in that room....that the left has a stranglehold on the education system in this country, and that they dominate the mindset of the entertainment industry in this country. Also, the largest 'piece of the pie' re the cost of a gallon of gas is the 'tax piece' ($ going toward taxes)....FAR larger than any other 'piece of the pie'. Apple is 'cool' . Oil companies are not. One could assert that oil companies are also demonized for environmental reasons but, IMO, unless the people promoting that demonization are living as primitive hunter gatherers, they are demonizing from proverbial glass houses.

if everyone drove a Yaris

What a wonderful thought .

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

How is it that you (wonderfully) stood as strong as an oak re expressing your opinions to leftie professors at St John's, yet you now join with the lefties in demonizing oil companies ()? :.

I think I have given the wrong impression here. Its thanks to the oil companies that we have oil and gasoline to drive our cars.

But if we used less gas it would be good for the environment AND the oil companies (which I have nothing against them as big business) would have to charge less for it. (which I am all in favor of)

Why anyone would buy ANYTHING but the smallest, most energy efficient, most reliable, most practical car for every day use (IE a Yaris or a Fit or similiar) I cannot understand.

(the answer of course is cars are an ego and social manifestation of our (illusionary) place in the picking order which IMHO is SICK!

I CAN understand sports cars if they are small like the Miata and pickup truck if they re used for business and of course every man should own a pickup truck but the smallest possible, of course.

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

I think I have given the wrong impression here. Its thanks to the oil companies that we have oil and gasoline to drive our cars.

But if we used less gas it would be good for the environment AND the oil companies (which I have nothing against them as big business) would have to charge less for it. (which I am all in favor of)

Why anyone would buy ANYTHING but the smallest, most energy efficient, most reliable, most practical car for every day use (IE a Yaris or a Fit or similiar) I cannot understand.

(the answer of course is cars are an ego and social manifestation of our (illusionary) place in the picking order which IMHO is SICK!

I CAN understand sports cars if they are small like the Miata and pickup truck if they re used for business and of course every man should own a pickup truck but the smallest possible, of course.

Thanks for the clarification. I agree with the particular points you made in this particular post (except I could see having a small building (for sentiment, nostalgia, etc...I wouldn't feel the need to drive around for people to see or to show anyone) with a Classic Silver 1963 Corvette Stingray Split Window, an air cooled 911 Targa, and a couple of other examples inside) . Re the number of miles I seem to put on cars, the Prius c might (for me) eventually (with enough miles) outrank the Yaris re your paragraph #3....I just can't get past the 'no manual transmission' issue.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

Look at the profit margin of Exxon Mobil vs the profit margin of Apple. The difference is astounding. The difference has sometimes been more than 300 percent. Why has Exxon Mobil been demonized and had people say they gouge, and Apple not? :.

Good point. And Apple is in bed with the devil in that their products are shamelessly produced in China which exploits the helplessness of its people by forcing them to work as slaves for little money.

These leftist people railling against capatilism ought to be massing in front of the Chinese embassy in Washington and setting themselves on fire in protest. If they want something to complain about.

Likewise how left wing professors can rail against facisits like Hitler etc when Stalin killed more people than Hitler ever did beggars belief.

I mean its OK if Statin commits paranoid mass murder but not if Hitler does it?

[nookandcrannycar]

Originally Posted by bronsin

Good point. And Apple is in bed with the devil in that their products are shamelessly produced in China which exploits the helplessness of its people by forcing them to work as slaves for little money.

These leftist people railling against capatilism ought to be massing in front of the Chinese embassy in Washington and setting themselves on fire in protest. If they want something to complain about.

Likewise how left wing professors can rail against facisits like Hitler etc when Stalin killed more people than Hitler ever did beggars belief.

I mean its OK if Statin commits paranoid mass murder but not if Hitler does it?

...and Tim Cook (the CEO of Apple) recently stated that if you own stock and are a 'climate change denier', then sell the stock...as 'we don't want your money' . No matter how one feels about that issue, IMO, that statement sounds as if it is being uttered by a child, not the CEO of the most valuable corporation (by market cap) on the planet.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by nookandcrannycar

...and Tim Cook (the CEO of Apple) recently stated that if you own stock and are a 'climate change denier', then sell the stock...as 'we don't want your money' . No matter how one feels about that issue, IMO, that statement sounds as if it is being uttered by a child, not the CEO of the most valuable corporation (by market cap) on the planet.

Spoken by someone trying to manipulate the ignorant masses, that Cook guy. Funny how no one talks about Kyoto now that Bush is gone...

Climate change is a moot point. If real we will do NOTHING to stop it until it is too late. Atmospheric pollution is now in the hands of the Chinese and Indians who build ever more coal fired power plants and drive more cars. Most of GMs cars sold today are sold in China. We also generate 50% of our power by coal and that aint changing either.

I wonder is the water rising enough in Venice so they have to close down the city? Funny supposedly the water level is rising but you dont hear them complaining.

Maybe the scientests say "Well its rising everwhere else BUT Venice!"

[why?]

Originally Posted by bronsin

That first part is true.
As for the second part half of the oil ever formed is already in the ocean. It was formed under permiable rock layer and over hundreds of millions of year, worked its way upwards and eith into the oceans or if on land was washed into the oceans by rain. The oil we now drill was trapped by impremiable layer of rock.
Anyway the oceans are polluted by salt and the discharge of volcanoes under water. Land life would die if washed into the ocean. We cant drink salt water.
Yet mamals live in it and they CAN drink salt water.
Whatever happens life will adapt. There have been mass extinctions before and they will happens again. Life always bounces back!
Just that the next time when it does it won't have ipods.

If you believe that theory. Russia doesn't. I don't, and many others don't either. The same exact scientist (who was Russian, btw) who came up with the dinosaur theory also later in life came up with the theory that oil is a byproduct of natural earth processes. And since oil wells that use to be dry are now full, and Russia has found oil under bedrock, it makes a ton more sense.

Originally Posted by bronsin

Spoken by someone trying to manipulate the ignorant masses, that Cook guy. Funny how no one talks about Kyoto now that Bush is gone...

Climate change is a moot point. If real we will do NOTHING to stop it until it is too late. Atmospheric pollution is now in the hands of the Chinese and Indians who build ever more coal fired power plants and drive more cars. Most of GMs cars sold today are sold in China. We also generate 50% of our power by coal and that aint changing either.

I wonder is the water rising enough in Venice so they have to close down the city? Funny supposedly the water level is rising but you dont hear them complaining.

Maybe the scientests say "Well its rising everwhere else BUT Venice!"

Everyone now understands Kyoto was total and utter crap. If every country went by it the kyoto protocol might lower the temperature 1/4 degree in 100 years or so. Totally useless.

Warming is not something we are contributing to. The sun is the main contributor, as every single other planet and body in our solar system is rising in temp the exact same amount earth is. i don't see any people on any of those other planets.

And the water level in Venice is not rising, the entire city of Venice is actively sinking. The water can easily be pumped back out into the ocean. They have massive barriers to keep out the ocean. Hmm, I wonder why New Orleans doesn't have the same system.