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Bob_VT · 11-08-2008, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PK198105

well that's the law we have, if a guy comes at you with a bat you are allowed to answer with proportionate force , chair , big ass candle etc. basically a blunt instrument for a blunt instrument. etc

and as for your example if you shoot someone holding a knife you can be found guilty of murder (if you kill the person)

That is true in the USA too HOWEVER the key is fear for your life.... if you know you have the advantage and use it to win .... you can be charged.

That is part of the training for Use of Deadly Force.

SIPNGAS · 11-08-2008, 09:43 PM

Yeah, i'm not sure the law is spelled out like that...

I only know I have the right to defend myself, if I can..

how would that work, with proportionate force, for me, a small 5'1" woman against a 6'2" brute of a guy whether he had his fists, a knife or a gun? I dunno...

Black Yaris · 11-08-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SIPNGAS

Yeah, i'm not sure the law is spelled out like that...

I only know I have the right to defend myself, if I can..

how would that work, with proportionate force, for me, a small 5'1" woman against a 6'2" brute of a guy whether he had his fists, a knife or a gun? I dunno...

not sure about WI, but we can use dealy force for attemted rape, or anything where you are in fear for your life..... heavy ephasis on the "in fear for your life"
that is how it is spelled out in the Ohio code, every state is different

Black Yaris · 11-08-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PK198105

well I guess that's what your Constitution is all about... freedoms, but with freedoms come obligations and consequences. And don't get me wrong I'm not judging anyone who carries a weapon , I'm just trying to understand your position and also why the US more dangerous than let's say Canada (we're probably just too cold to care lol).

well look at the UK, guns are prohibited, even for law enforcement
they still have violent crimes and ciminals with guns

Bob_VT · 11-08-2008, 09:53 PM

Ladder of force...... use of deadly force...... safe weapon use....... training is the key.

A handgun is not too much different than using a car to run someone over...... that's a reason why the gun debate goes array. If someone wants to do bodily harm to you ..... they will find a way...... baseball bat, hammer, razor blade or beat to death with a feather (which takes a LONG time)....... the best defense in any situation is to run and live to fight another day.

If a robbery is comitted the right way.... money and goods should be given up and the people should just do as told.

People who have been or are currently in the service will agree with me on this but, there is no glory in aiming a weapon at people.

Kal-El · 11-08-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PK198105

is everyone packing in the States?

Absolutely not. Some of the guys on here are giving a false impression of the US and one that is a bad impression. More people do not own guns then those that do.

I respect and support responsible gun ownership but let's not make it sound like the US is a violent war like state where everyone's packing heat.

SIPNGAS · 11-08-2008, 09:55 PM

I'd have to research it...

I received an interesting email the other day about Australia (our Aussie members might be able to tell us if it's true or not) but I believe one of the statistics were that since carrying guns has been banned, violent crime has gone up 44%. I'm guessing because the criminals will always have guns and regular, law-abiding civilians are left largely unable to fight back.

PK... =)...lol..maybe it IS too cold...who knows...

*MAD DOG* · 11-09-2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SIPNGAS

I'd have to research it...

I received an interesting email the other day about Australia (our Aussie members might be able to tell us if it's true or not) but I believe one of the statistics were that since carrying guns has been banned, violent crime has gone up 44%. I'm guessing because the criminals will always have guns and regular, law-abiding civilians are left largely unable to fight back.

PK... =)...lol..maybe it IS too cold...who knows...

Don't beleive everything you read in email. I really don't think violent crime has gone up 44% here in Australia, do you have any stats to back that up?

Bob_VT · 11-09-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Yaris

dang..... what have I started
just wanted to show my new new revolver, and asked if anyone wanted to show off their pieces

It was an innocent question that started this...... or was it? Black Yaris you might have sounded innocent in the beginning but you knew that asking this question was like lighting a fuse or upsetting a keystone.

It has dragged our Canadian neighbors in, the Austalians...... LOL.

Back to your original question ....nice revolver..... now that things have advanced in the thread..... you might want to trade that revolver in for a Vulcan Gattling gun system when properly mounted will not transfer any recoil to the shooter.

BTW the Vulcan fires at 100 rounds per second

slothman86 · 11-10-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob_VT

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I am attaching this to my yaris somehow!

SIPNGAS · 11-09-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by *MAD DOG*

Don't beleive everything you read in email. I really don't think violent crime has gone up 44% here in Australia, do you have any stats to back that up?

No..it was an email that rattled off statistics from a few countries that have prevented citizens from carrying guns...that's why I asked. I know you can't believe MOST of the information that's past around.

Bob_VT · 11-08-2008, 09:58 PM

5' 1" person can cripple a person of any size with proper training and just using household items. I used to teach self defense classes to business men and show them how effective a Time magazine can be tightly rolled up. Weapons may be good but just knowing proper defense is better.

A properly placed strike or kick will give you time to run.

Bob_VT · 11-08-2008, 10:05 PM

Hey PK don't get me wrong ....... I own weapons and use them mainly for recreation and hunting........ we even have a "tourist season" to keep things fun!

Bob_VT · 11-08-2008, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by PK198105

right.... you considering me a tourist

jk

Depends..... do you stop on the traveled part of the road.... step out and take a picture of a tree or a cow? I consider you a Comrad from the North........ only the people south of VT have tourist habits!

firemachine69 · 11-08-2008, 10:14 PM

In Canada, if you defend yourself with any type of functional self-defense tool, expect alot of your time and money to go down the drain.

I am still, however, a strong supporter of self-defense.

Bob_VT · 11-08-2008, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by firemachine69

In Canada, if you defend yourself with any type of functional self-defense tool, expect alot of your time and money to go down the drain.

I am still, however, a strong supporter of self-defense.

So if you have trained in hand to hand combat are you considered to be a functional weapon? Or if you play baseball and have a bat..... a carpenter with a hammer?

firemachine69 · 11-08-2008, 10:19 PM

Yes, and the other two, it depends on how you answer the police as to why you had the "tool" in had at the time of the incident...

TLyttle · 11-08-2008, 10:28 PM

My experience has been that the Americans are taught about the right to arm themselves, instead of being taught not to be a threat to anyone else. The key is EDUCATION, simple as that. Teach the population... ALL of it... the concept of right and wrong, and arming people will not be necessary.

I don't see that happening, as it will take at least 3 generations of intelligent education to get rid of the "I gotta defend myself" mentality...

If the US emptied the prisons of recreational pot users, they would have lots of room for people who shoot at each other.

11-08-2008, 09:43 PM	#2
SIPNGAS I LOVE my Yaris! View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Polar White LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southeast Wisconsin Posts: 5,164	Yeah, i'm not sure the law is spelled out like that... I only know I have the right to defend myself, if I can.. how would that work, with proportionate force, for me, a small 5'1" woman against a 6'2" brute of a guy whether he had his fists, a knife or a gun? I dunno... __________________ We don't see things as THEY are...we see them as WE are. Lisa aka *SIPNGAS*

11-08-2008, 09:53 PM	#5
Bob_VT View User's Garage Drives: 08 Yaris LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,704	Ladder of force...... use of deadly force...... safe weapon use....... training is the key. A handgun is not too much different than using a car to run someone over...... that's a reason why the gun debate goes array. If someone wants to do bodily harm to you ..... they will find a way...... baseball bat, hammer, razor blade or beat to death with a feather (which takes a LONG time)....... the best defense in any situation is to run and live to fight another day. If a robbery is comitted the right way.... money and goods should be given up and the people should just do as told. People who have been or are currently in the service will agree with me on this but, there is no glory in aiming a weapon at people. __________________ some people are little slinkies. . . . .they are really good for nothing. . . .but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. Come to the DARKSIDE..... We have candy

11-08-2008, 09:55 PM	#7
SIPNGAS I LOVE my Yaris! View User's Garage Drives: 2007 Polar White LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southeast Wisconsin Posts: 5,164	I'd have to research it... I received an interesting email the other day about Australia (our Aussie members might be able to tell us if it's true or not) but I believe one of the statistics were that since carrying guns has been banned, violent crime has gone up 44%. I'm guessing because the criminals will always have guns and regular, law-abiding civilians are left largely unable to fight back. PK... =)...lol..maybe it IS too cold...who knows... __________________ We don't see things as THEY are...we see them as WE are. Lisa aka *SIPNGAS*

11-08-2008, 09:58 PM	#12
Bob_VT View User's Garage Drives: 08 Yaris LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,704	5' 1" person can cripple a person of any size with proper training and just using household items. I used to teach self defense classes to business men and show them how effective a Time magazine can be tightly rolled up. Weapons may be good but just knowing proper defense is better. A properly placed strike or kick will give you time to run. __________________ some people are little slinkies. . . . .they are really good for nothing. . . .but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. Come to the DARKSIDE..... We have candy

11-08-2008, 10:05 PM	#13
Bob_VT View User's Garage Drives: 08 Yaris LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,704	Hey PK don't get me wrong ....... I own weapons and use them mainly for recreation and hunting........ we even have a "tourist season" to keep things fun! __________________ some people are little slinkies. . . . .they are really good for nothing. . . .but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. Come to the DARKSIDE..... We have candy

11-08-2008, 10:14 PM	#15
firemachine69 School'er of hard knocks Drives: Silver Yaris 4dr. HB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sudbury, On Posts: 556	In Canada, if you defend yourself with any type of functional self-defense tool, expect alot of your time and money to go down the drain. I am still, however, a strong supporter of self-defense.

11-08-2008, 10:19 PM	#17
firemachine69 School'er of hard knocks Drives: Silver Yaris 4dr. HB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Sudbury, On Posts: 556	Yes, and the other two, it depends on how you answer the police as to why you had the "tool" in had at the time of the incident...

11-08-2008, 10:28 PM	#18
TLyttle Drives: 07 Yaris sedan Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Keremeos BC Posts: 986	My experience has been that the Americans are taught about the right to arm themselves, instead of being taught not to be a threat to anyone else. The key is EDUCATION, simple as that. Teach the population... ALL of it... the concept of right and wrong, and arming people will not be necessary. I don't see that happening, as it will take at least 3 generations of intelligent education to get rid of the "I gotta defend myself" mentality... If the US emptied the prisons of recreational pot users, they would have lots of room for people who shoot at each other.

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