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*tomato* · 07-31-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tuckevalastin

No sense in moving it to off topic... political threads only make it a few hours before getting so heated that they are locked anyway

You're right. That's why I deleted my rant about the R admin, but I'll sneak this one in before we get locked: I agree wholeheartedly with 2+2.

Just give the guy a little time, will ya? It rattles my cage when I hear people blame the guy already because he's implemented such or such program. I wasn't happy about the bailout either (although if you recall the first bailout was b/f November)., eh, I hear ya, believe me (I pay my bills and try to live within my means, so, why should I be penalized because other dudes bought houses they couldn't afford in the first place with 0 down). But last year, we were on the brink of a major financial disaster and now, things are somewhat stabilized. So let give it a little time and see what happens, I guess that's all I'm trying to say.

Peace.

Bob Dog · 07-31-2009, 10:14 PM

It looks to me like all the base prices for vehicles have been knocked up so what it really amounts to is that the incentive is going to the dealers and manufacturers and not to the people buying the vehicles.

*tomato* · 07-31-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dog

It looks to me like all the base prices for vehicles have been knocked up so what it really amounts to is that the incentive is going to the dealers and manufacturers and not to the people buying the vehicles.

Well, that's a good point, too.

tuckevalastin · 07-31-2009, 11:34 PM

I've often wondered how many people trade in cars that they could have gotten $4500 for as a trade in anyway. In those cases I bet the dealer wishes they could just have the car traded in so they can resell it and make a little extra profit

tuckevalastin · 07-31-2009, 11:46 PM

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You're right. That's why I deleted my rant about the R admin, but I'll sneak this one in before we get locked: I agree wholeheartedly with 2+2.

I'll delete my D response too in the interest of the discussion of the Cash for Clunkers program and not all around politics.

supmet · 08-01-2009, 01:58 AM

Ya, hopefully it will go bankrupt before it hits the used car business too bad. A couple months from now people should still pay 9-10k for a good used yaris. If you're in the market to sell in the next week or month, you might be in trouble.

kustom play · 08-01-2009, 02:16 AM

I wouldnt buy american, they all suck and they got themselves into the position their in. Im pissed that they bailed them out in the first place. Should have let them fail the first time

eric81 · 08-01-2009, 02:18 AM

Okay, FYI. Cash for clunkers is NOT helping dealerships like you think it is. The government put up rules so we can't adjust the prices to help us out any. However, it is causing us to have a lot of business, so we are happy about that. More cars sold means more money made.
Now, as for the vehicles that qualify, and all the work we have to do to find out if it does qualify, filling out paperwork, and then having to actually lose money off the top, the government is still making their money, because they tax you BEFORE the $3,500 or $4,500 rebate, but we only get paid on the after rebate price, so they are just helping fuel themselves.
And I do agree that they are taking some nicer and well kept vehicles and parts off the road. Also, I believe they should have made the MPG a little higher, because 18 is REALLY hard to do. I have had SEVERAL customers that get 16 average or less, but the website says 19 or 20, so they miss out and have to keep driving their clunker. It is helping out some people, but not everyone it should.

aclark246 · 08-01-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by eric81

Also, I believe they should have made the MPG a little higher, because 18 is REALLY hard to do. I have had SEVERAL customers that get 16 average or less, but the website says 19 or 20, so they miss out and have to keep driving their clunker.

The website says they get 19...they get 16...
The website says I get 32...I get 44...

Maybe it is the driver and not the car...

qualifier:
(...in some of those cases. I do realize that environment plays a big role in possible FE and that also they could have some serious car issues that inhibit any higher FE, but for most people I have seen who get poor FE in their cars-even older cars- it has been driving style that has kept them out of reach of the EPA numbers. Sucks for the people who it's out of their control, but for those who legitimately bought gas guzzlers in the first place and drive inefficiently anyway, I really don't want my tax dollars giving them a rebate if they can't make the 18 that their car can most probably make. If they do qualify however, I am more than happy to help them into a better car.)

enobmort42 · 08-01-2009, 02:19 AM

my old 96 escort wasn't eligible for the clunkers thing, so i sold it on craigslist. had it been, i would have given it to my brother to get him started with a good car..

Bob Dog · 08-01-2009, 09:07 AM

This program also rewards people who bought gas guzzlers years ago and punishes those bought fuel efficient cars by giving money to those who bought the guzzlers and not giving the incentive to people who have been driving green for years.

*tomato* · 08-03-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dog

This program also rewards people who bought gas guzzlers years ago and punishes those bought fuel efficient cars by giving money to those who bought the guzzlers and not giving the incentive to people who have been driving green for years.

Not that I'm against the program but that's a real good point!!

Altitude · 08-05-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dog

This program also rewards people who bought gas guzzlers years ago and punishes those bought fuel efficient cars by giving money to those who bought the guzzlers and not giving the incentive to people who have been driving green for years.

If it's really a big deal, there is something you can do... Find someone with a clunker who can't afford the payments on a new car. Trade them YOUR car then take the clunker to the dealership and get your new wheels. There, not only will you no longer feel cheated, you'll have helped out someone else who couldn't benefit either. Win, Win!!

RedRide · 08-01-2009, 04:57 PM

Well, as the saying goes, ...."You can't please all the people all of the time."

Without getting political and/or placing blame (there is plenty to go around), the county is in a bit of an economic mess and doing nothing is not an option at this point.

I'm 62 years and have yet to see a government run progran that did not have problems at the onset.

TinyGiant · 08-01-2009, 05:46 PM

i heard the govt shut down cash for clunkers a couple days ago.. the money that was budgeted for it is now gone... from a big response to the program

GeneW · 08-01-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TinyGiant

i heard the govt shut down cash for clunkers a couple days ago.. the money that was budgeted for it is now gone... from a big response to the program

No. The ability of the Government to manage the problem was overwhelmed. The program has only spent about $100 million, about ten percent of the total.

Gene

tuckevalastin · 08-01-2009, 06:00 PM

the government then gave the program $2billion more in funding so it's back up and running.

TinyGiant · 08-01-2009, 06:02 PM

splendid. 2 billion more to something i cant take advantage of because i did the right think last fall and got rid of my clunker. neato!

07-31-2009, 11:34 PM	#4
tuckevalastin View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Delaware/Connecticut Posts: 609	I've often wondered how many people trade in cars that they could have gotten $4500 for as a trade in anyway. In those cases I bet the dealer wishes they could just have the car traded in so they can resell it and make a little extra profit __________________

08-01-2009, 02:16 AM	#7
kustom play pink wheels are cool View User's Garage Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,407	I wouldnt buy american, they all suck and they got themselves into the position their in. Im pissed that they bailed them out in the first place. Should have let them fail the first time __________________ http://www.4055design.com

08-01-2009, 02:19 AM	#10
enobmort42 First time DIYer Drives: '07 LB Polar White Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 434	my old 96 escort wasn't eligible for the clunkers thing, so i sold it on craigslist. had it been, i would have given it to my brother to get him started with a good car.. __________________ LED tails - debadged - 17" wheels - LED door handles - Painted Headlights - 30/35% tint - Blue LED Interior - DIY Cruise Control - Python 460HP Alarm - DIY Power Locks - K&N CAI - Lowering Springs

08-01-2009, 05:46 PM	#15
TinyGiant Tiny Giant Clothing View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Blazing Blue Yaris 3D LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Rochester, NH Posts: 3,394	i heard the govt shut down cash for clunkers a couple days ago.. the money that was budgeted for it is now gone... from a big response to the program __________________ Sold the yaris... rocking an 89 vw cabriolet now :)

08-01-2009, 06:00 PM	#17
tuckevalastin View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Yaris Sedan Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Delaware/Connecticut Posts: 609	the government then gave the program $2billion more in funding so it's back up and running. __________________

07-31-2009, 10:14 PM	#2
Bob Dog DARK PHASE OF THE MOON Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: the Boondocks, NC Posts: 993	It looks to me like all the base prices for vehicles have been knocked up so what it really amounts to is that the incentive is going to the dealers and manufacturers and not to the people buying the vehicles.

08-01-2009, 01:58 AM	#6
supmet Banned View User's Garage Drives: 2007 4 Door Yaris Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,357	Ya, hopefully it will go bankrupt before it hits the used car business too bad. A couple months from now people should still pay 9-10k for a good used yaris. If you're in the market to sell in the next week or month, you might be in trouble.

08-01-2009, 02:18 AM	#8
eric81 View User's Garage Drives: Toyota Salesman Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Clarksville, IN Posts: 297	Okay, FYI. Cash for clunkers is NOT helping dealerships like you think it is. The government put up rules so we can't adjust the prices to help us out any. However, it is causing us to have a lot of business, so we are happy about that. More cars sold means more money made. Now, as for the vehicles that qualify, and all the work we have to do to find out if it does qualify, filling out paperwork, and then having to actually lose money off the top, the government is still making their money, because they tax you BEFORE the $3,500 or $4,500 rebate, but we only get paid on the after rebate price, so they are just helping fuel themselves. And I do agree that they are taking some nicer and well kept vehicles and parts off the road. Also, I believe they should have made the MPG a little higher, because 18 is REALLY hard to do. I have had SEVERAL customers that get 16 average or less, but the website says 19 or 20, so they miss out and have to keep driving their clunker. It is helping out some people, but not everyone it should.

08-01-2009, 09:07 AM	#11
Bob Dog DARK PHASE OF THE MOON Drives: 07 liftback Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: the Boondocks, NC Posts: 993	This program also rewards people who bought gas guzzlers years ago and punishes those bought fuel efficient cars by giving money to those who bought the guzzlers and not giving the incentive to people who have been driving green for years.

08-01-2009, 04:57 PM	#14
RedRide Drives: '09 Yaris carmine red 2d HB Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Middletown, NY Posts: 1,502	Well, as the saying goes, ...."You can't please all the people all of the time." Without getting political and/or placing blame (there is plenty to go around), the county is in a bit of an economic mess and doing nothing is not an option at this point. I'm 62 years and have yet to see a government run progran that did not have problems at the onset.

08-01-2009, 06:02 PM	#18
TinyGiant Tiny Giant Clothing View User's Garage Drives: 2008 Blazing Blue Yaris 3D LB Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Rochester, NH Posts: 3,394	splendid. 2 billion more to something i cant take advantage of because i did the right think last fall and got rid of my clunker. neato! __________________ Sold the yaris... rocking an 89 vw cabriolet now :)

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