Ford Fiesta: 40 mpg Hwy

[slothman86]

Originally Posted by Kal-El

It's definitely EPA official.

http://i.autoblog.com/2010/05/17/off...011-ford-fies/

Thanks...

but still without some special system for fuel economy the Fiesta is still just 28/37. Which is really good!

but the Yaris has been around with almost the same mileage on this platform for...4 years? This Fiesta platform came out in 2008... but the POWERSHIFT option is ACCORDING TO MY SOURCES only a 2011 feature in the US.

I want to see how the next Yaris will perform!

[mick.wheelz]

a little compro of AUDM Models


Ford Fiesta ECOnetic (5 Door Hatch)

1.6lt Common Rail Turbo Diesel + DPF
66kw @ 4000rpm, 200nm @ 1750rpm

5spd Manual Trans.

3.7lt/100km Combined (ADR independent testing)

Toyota Yaris YR (5 Door Hatch)

1.3lt MPI Petrol + VVTi
63kw @ 6000rpm, 121nm @ 4000rpm

5spd Manual Trans.

6.5lt/100km Combined (ADR independent testing)


Toyota Yaris YRX (3 Door Hatch)

1.5lt MPI Petrol + VVTi
80kw @ 6000rpm, 141nm @ 4200rpm

5spd Manual Trans.

6.7lt/100km Combined (ADR independent testing)




As you can see from above, the fiesta gets its fuel economy from having a fairly advanced turbo diesel engine... while it does not make a lot of power would beat a 1.3lt yaris hands down for daily driveability

That said, if we look at the UK spec Yaris Diesel things are a LOT closer

Toyota Yaris TR Diesel (5 Door Hatch)

1.4lt Direct Injection Turbo Diesel
66kw @ 3800rpm, 205nm @ 1600rpm

6spd Manual Trans.

4.1l/100km Combined.

Toyota should simply take the diesel to other parts of the world in order to compete with the ford :)

[atomsareenough]

Yeah, but they're not selling the diesel Fiesta in the US. Those numbers (29/40) are for the normal gasoline version.

[fnkngrv]

Either way you look at it, Ford has had its moments on sharp looking cars however it is like the other of the big 3...plagued with issues and recalls. Toyota is not "falling apart at the seems" as the networks are trying to make it look as well as certain politicians getting their pockets lined by constituents. The Escort was hailed as a very economic car back when it was introduced however after owning 2 of them when I was younger and replacing heads in the motors left and right literally as well as the moisture issues with the distro-caps and wiring connections, etc it is tough to swallow that the Fiesta will stomp on us...

[john21031]

[mick.wheelz]

Originally Posted by atomsareenough

Yeah, but they're not selling the diesel Fiesta in the US. Those numbers (29/40) are for the normal gasoline version.

so 40 MPG is 5.9l/100km... thats not that brilliant fuel economy really...

the 06-08 yaris is rated at 6.0 (1.3)/ 6.1 (1.5) litres per 100km,
and the 09-10 yaris is rated at 6.5 (1.3)/ 6.7 (1.5) itres per 100km in Australia... why the hell aren't ford importing the diesel?

[Thirty-Nine]

mick.wheelz—in the U.S. it's very noteworthy. Only the Smart ForTwo gets better highway miles from a gasoline engine. That, however, may say more about the cars they sell in the U.S. than the Fiesta's fuel economy, though.

[mick.wheelz]

Originally Posted by Thirty-Nine

mick.wheelz—in the U.S. it's very noteworthy. Only the Smart ForTwo gets better highway miles from a gasoline engine. That, however, may say more about the cars they sell in the U.S. than the Fiesta's fuel economy, though.

really? see the below table;



3.9 l/100km = 60.3114316 miles per gallon
5.8 l/100km = 40.5542385 miles per gallon

ah well.

[atomsareenough]

OK, let's go over that list.

Toyota Prius Hybrid - Hybrid engine, not pure gas engine
Smart Fortwo - As noted, it beats the Fiesta, but it's tiny
Honda Civic Hybrid - Again, hybrid
Suzuki Alto - 3 cylinder engine, model not sold in the US
Fiat 500 - Not sold in the US yet, though we're supposed to finally get it later this year
VW Polo - Not sold in the US
Mitsubishi Colt - Not sold in the US
Proton Savvy - Not sold in the US
Honda Jazz - Not sold in the US
MINI Cooper - That seems to have a better rating than the Fiesta, but here in the US they say it's 37mpg.

Also, the Fiesta has about 119-120 hp, and it weighs a few hundred pounds more than the Yaris, so all things considered, 40MPG on the highway isn't bad.

[Thirty-Nine]

^^^

Exactly.

There have been more fuel-efficient cars sold in the U.S. for sure. However, with stricter emissions and safety law than before, we don't have any 45-50 MPG gasoline-only powered vehicles. There used to be quite a few of them.

Here's a chart I recently put together of subcompact EPA fuel mileage:
http://www.subcompactculture.com/201...age-chart.html

Next, a listing of the most fuel-efficient subcompacts that have EVER been sold in the U.S. (including the Honda Insight). Yes the Chevrolet Sprint got an EPA rating of 44/53!:
http://www.subcompactculture.com/200...ubcompact.html

FYI, there hasn't been a three-cylinder car sold on the U.S. market since the 1.0-liter metro in the 1990s.
http://www.subcompactculture.com/200...cars-with.html

[Yaris Hilton]

Stricter safety and emissions regulations have driven the decline in mileage, as well as the popular preference for larger and more powerful cars.

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by fnkngrv

Either way you look at it, Ford has had its moments on sharp looking cars however it is like the other of the big 3...plagued with issues and recalls. Toyota is not "falling apart at the seems" as the networks are trying to make it look as well as certain politicians getting their pockets lined by constituents. The Escort was hailed as a very economic car back when it was introduced however after owning 2 of them when I was younger and replacing heads in the motors left and right literally as well as the moisture issues with the distro-caps and wiring connections, etc it is tough to swallow that the Fiesta will stomp on us...

The escort was a total PoS, no doubt about it.

We had a Pinto in the family for 15 years. We even towed a pop-up trailer all over the US with that little car, but the extra stress on the uni-body frame from all that towing combined with rust put her into an early grave ... if you call 15 years an early grave for an economy car, the engine and transmission were still running strong!

I have a feeling the Fiesta is going to be a really nice little car. It sure does look sharp, no question about it!

[bronsin]

My brothers Renault Alliance (1.3 liter) regularly got 53 mpg on his 20 mile commute. Prius cant do better. The best 2010 technology can do is TIE 1980 technology. IQs have dropped sharply in
30 years.

[Hershey]

don't forget the MAZDA 2 . Very good looking liftback . Sure to give the YARIS a run for the money . Too bad it doesn't have the 1.3 ltr. that was in the FORD Festiva . Great little car . Owned several of those . 1.3 ltr. one tough cookie , seen it take some serious abuse . There's a few still roaming about .

[bkrownd]

Originally Posted by bronsin

My brothers Renault Alliance (1.3 liter) regularly got 53 mpg on his 20 mile commute. Prius cant do better. The best 2010 technology can do is TIE 1980 technology. IQs have dropped sharply in
30 years.

Government-mandated equipment and emissions rules have increased sharply.

[Thirty-Nine]

And although you could get cars with 50+ MPGs in the 1980s, I'd much rather be in a crash in my 30 MPG Yaris vs. a 53 MPG Chevy Sprint.

However, it does speak to two things: 1) Our want for power and 2) Our lack of diesel options. Nowadays, if a car doesn't have 100 hp, it's nearly an impossible sell, regardless of mileage.

[bronsin]

Originally Posted by Thirty-Nine

Nowadays, if a car doesn't have 100 hp, it's nearly an impossible sell, regardless of mileage.

And we would have hostile foreign governments and the oil companies on their knees if we made a religion out of conservation.

[mick.wheelz]

Originally Posted by atomsareenough

OK, let's go over that list.

Toyota Prius Hybrid - Hybrid engine, not pure gas engine
Smart Fortwo - As noted, it beats the Fiesta, but it's tiny
Honda Civic Hybrid - Again, hybrid
Suzuki Alto - 3 cylinder engine, model not sold in the US
Fiat 500 - Not sold in the US yet, though we're supposed to finally get it later this year
VW Polo - Not sold in the US
Mitsubishi Colt - Not sold in the US
Proton Savvy - Not sold in the US
Honda Jazz - Not sold in the US
MINI Cooper - That seems to have a better rating than the Fiesta, but here in the US they say it's 37mpg.

Also, the Fiesta has about 119-120 hp, and it weighs a few hundred pounds more than the Yaris, so all things considered, 40MPG on the highway isn't bad.

The point i was trying to make is that there are lots of super efficiant small cars out there that get much more than 40mpg... thats all.

I didnt realise that the US had such a small subcompact market.