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YarisHatch · 05-25-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Calidrifter

Yeah but a supecharger is constant hp throught the band and you do't get turbo lag. Also with any turbo upgrade if you plan on running over 7 psi you WILL need to get new internals. And from whtaI have been hearing the 1NZ has pretty weak internals already, so don't be surprised to see some dumb kids in here with a ""I blew up my engine" thread in here.

I know of two xb owners that have run 8-9psi daily for over two years with no problems, with some internals upgraded. Yeah, it isn't the greatest motor in the world but its not that bad if you build the motor right. Unfortunately, most don't.

And some turbos have more lag than others, no one turbo design is the same as another. Do some research and you'll find the one for you.

Yaris Revenge · 06-01-2006, 08:17 PM

I'd much rather have the supercharger anyway. I like to bolt off the line, and it'd be even cooler in such a dinky car.

Honestly, I never have a need to run more than 75mph, and I'm sure it'll do that just fine without a turbo. Not like I'm gonna' be racin' for pink slips or anything!

~YR

tca4 · 05-25-2006, 02:03 PM

http://www.k4.dion.ne.jp/~vitz/Compressor.htm

why? · 06-02-2006, 01:36 AM

200 whp. Man that would be tempting.

YarisHatch · 06-02-2006, 03:01 PM

Yeah, it is tempting. The only issue i have with their kit right now is the fact its still unreliable. Once they get it tuned and see how the afr is and everything, i might feel better. Relying on a learning ecu isn't exactly the best reliable way, but so far they have impressed me.

On the yaris, 200whp would be an incredable amount of power, power to weight would be right around 10.5-11 (without actually doing the ratio figures), which is enough to put the yaris in the high 12's with a proper driver and swapping the gears, with the stock gears you could easily do low 13's. You wouldn't need that much power for autocross and road course's, but yeah. Definitely something to consider.

SophieSleeps · 06-04-2006, 01:18 AM

Honestly, ever supercharged car I've ever worked on I have never liked.

I would never go with a supercharger.
Nowadays, they've been far surpassed by turbo technology.

A turbo'd car is tons more fun to drive and much much more versatile for power adjustment.

Hitting 140rwhp would be unreasonable for 3500.
You could run nitrous for 1k and do the same.

TRD_Yaris · 07-15-2006, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SophieSleeps

Honestly, ever supercharged car I've ever worked on I have never liked.

I would never go with a supercharger.
Nowadays, they've been far surpassed by turbo technology.

A turbo'd car is tons more fun to drive and much much more versatile for power adjustment.

Hitting 140rwhp would be unreasonable for 3500.
You could run nitrous for 1k and do the same.

Yup. Superchargers run off the engine, sapping power and have to USE a LOT OF STEPPER gears to get NEAR 50,000 rpm..
TURBOS run off UNUSED EXHAUST GAS, which is UP TO 70% of the energy of the Air/Fuel Explosion...and can easily spool to 80,000+...

superchargers are kinda nice on s2000s since they rev to 9K...but not on yaris.
3500 and only 40 whp gain? NOS would be much more efficient. Though, the new Blitz Vitz superchager can be turned completely off..that's not bad for fuel efficiency, either.

SophieSleeps · 07-15-2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TRD_Yaris

Yup. Superchargers run off the engine, sapping power and have to USE a LOT OF STEPPER gears to get NEAR 50,000 rpm..
TURBOS run off UNUSED EXHAUST GAS, which is UP TO 70% of the energy of the Air/Fuel Explosion...and can easily spool to 80,000+...

superchargers are kinda nice on s2000s since they rev to 9K...but not on yaris.
3500 and only 40 whp gain? NOS would be much more efficient. Though, the new Blitz Vitz superchager can be turned completely off..that's not bad for fuel efficiency, either.

Yeah, but you don't supercharge a car for fuel efficiency.
40whp gain sucks. Not worth the money.

pennystocks · 06-04-2006, 02:28 AM

A newb comment but turbos sound better too =D

SophieSleeps · 06-04-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pennystocks

A newb comment but turbos sound better too =D

I hate supercharger whine...

whirrr whirrr whirrr...belt slippage and stuff.

eight_heads · 06-04-2006, 12:34 PM

i personally like both, but turbos are easier to fix and expand upon.... if you have a supercharger and want more boost, you have to buy another supercharger(the whole setup)... if you have a turbo and want more, you can either rebuild the turbo for more boost or buy a bigger turbo..but a new turbo(just the turbo) is alot cheaper than a new supercharger.... and being that most of us won't be running a whole lot of boost, you can get some of the smaller turbos that will spool very fast and barely have any turbo lag... superchargers however will always rob power

SophieSleeps · 06-04-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by eight_heads

i personally like both, but turbos are easier to fix and expand upon.... if you have a supercharger and want more boost, you have to buy another supercharger(the whole setup)... if you have a turbo and want more, you can either rebuild the turbo for more boost or buy a bigger turbo..but a new turbo(just the turbo) is alot cheaper than a new supercharger.... and being that most of us won't be running a whole lot of boost, you can get some of the smaller turbos that will spool very fast and barely have any turbo lag... superchargers however will always rob power

Err not really.

If you have a supercharger and want more boost, you can change the supercharger's drive pulley to a smaller one. You just have to make sure you don't boost past what is recommended for the compressor unit. Pulley size determines boost.

For a turbo you simply control boost with a boost control. You can go up and down whenever you want. There is no need to rebuild a turbo.

I run my turbo anywhere from 6-15 psi...and I can change that when I'm in the car, whenever I want.

New turbo technology reduces turbo lag significantly.
My current turbo is dual ball bear, water and oil cooled. Spins so damn easily that after you shut the car off the turbine wheel will still be spinning.

eight_heads · 06-05-2006, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SophieSleeps

Err not really.

If you have a supercharger and want more boost, you can change the supercharger's drive pulley to a smaller one. You just have to make sure you don't boost past what is recommended for the compressor unit. Pulley size determines boost.

For a turbo you simply control boost with a boost control. You can go up and down whenever you want. There is no need to rebuild a turbo.

I run my turbo anywhere from 6-15 psi...and I can change that when I'm in the car, whenever I want.

New turbo technology reduces turbo lag significantly.
My current turbo is dual ball bear, water and oil cooled. Spins so damn easily that after you shut the car off the turbine wheel will still be spinning.

i quess i should have elaborated, i meant the overall boost setting, you can change your boost alot more with a boost controller on a turbo than changing pulleys on a s/c... i too have dealt with both alot of various cars from '03 Mustang Cobras to turbo'd SOHC civics... in other words, turbos(on average) have higher overall boost compared to a s/c

echo_hrs · 06-04-2006, 08:38 PM

All of this turbo vs supercharger nonsense really is irrelevant until someone ponies up the dough and courage to do up their 1NZ-FE...

I'm so sick of all of these threads with all the know-it-alls doing virtual speculation without any real-world testing specifically on a Yaris powertrain...

SophieSleeps · 06-04-2006, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by echo_hrs

All of this turbo vs supercharger nonsense really is irrelevant until someone ponies up the dough and courage to do up their 1NZ-FE...

I'm so sick of all of these threads with all the know-it-alls doing virtual speculation without any real-world testing specifically on a Yaris powertrain...

You definately have a good point there. A real world comparison would be ideal.

Though I don't necessarily think I'm talking out my ass. I've done numerous builds with both superchargers and turbo's and I don't think the differences I've seen were because of motor or drivetrain.

punch · 06-05-2006, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by echo_hrs

All of this turbo vs supercharger nonsense really is irrelevant until someone ponies up the dough and courage to do up their 1NZ-FE...

I'm so sick of all of these threads with all the know-it-alls doing virtual speculation without any real-world testing specifically on a Yaris powertrain...

umm there is an owner in toronto with the blitz supercharger on his red rs....

echo_hrs · 06-05-2006, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by punch

umm there is an owner in toronto with the blitz supercharger on his red rs....

Copper Orange Mica, actually, but he's not here on the forum to express the details/benefits/difficulties of the unit...

Cheers

SmellyTofu · 06-05-2006, 08:09 AM

I've driven a Blitz S/C Echo (1st model) .. I couldn't wipe the smile off my face. :) Had a few issues but nothing major that hindered performance.

06-01-2006, 08:17 PM	#2
Yaris Revenge GIGA...DRILL...BREAKER!!! Drives: Lagann. ;P Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: My own little world. Posts: 717	I'd much rather have the supercharger anyway. I like to bolt off the line, and it'd be even cooler in such a dinky car. Honestly, I never have a need to run more than 75mph, and I'm sure it'll do that just fine without a turbo. Not like I'm gonna' be racin' for pink slips or anything! ~YR __________________ Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

06-02-2006, 01:36 AM	#4
why? Only Happy When it Rains View User's Garage Drives: Yaris LB Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: harnett county NC Posts: 4,097	200 whp. Man that would be tempting. __________________ Colin Chapman disciple

06-04-2006, 12:34 PM	#11
eight_heads Drives: '07 Yaris Liftback Join Date: May 2006 Location: LA, USA Posts: 244	i personally like both, but turbos are easier to fix and expand upon.... if you have a supercharger and want more boost, you have to buy another supercharger(the whole setup)... if you have a turbo and want more, you can either rebuild the turbo for more boost or buy a bigger turbo..but a new turbo(just the turbo) is alot cheaper than a new supercharger.... and being that most of us won't be running a whole lot of boost, you can get some of the smaller turbos that will spool very fast and barely have any turbo lag... superchargers however will always rob power __________________ '07 Yaris Liftback -Red 5spd w/convenience

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